Football 2010-2011

[eFestivals]

You dont think there will be a decrease of interest from arsenal fans the longer they continue to not win anything?

I guess every club has glory hunters, but all clubs have a churn rate* of around 50% anyway and manage to keep their attendances pretty steady, so I don't think it's much of an issue until the whole of football hits a major downturn.

(* this means that around 50% of the people who attend at least one match this season won't attend any matches next season)

Mind you, that major downturn might not be too far away - for one thing there's the state of the economy which means that fewer people have money to spend on non-essentials, and stuff such as Man Utd having trouble selling out their season tickets last summer suggests that that tipping point might not be too far away.

[eFestivals]

Bloody riciclious! I havent had one at spur for 11 years now, no idea how much they are!

the tickets being talked about here aren't 'standard' season tickets, they're (according to Steve P) "corporate seat prices".

[ampersand]

whos your local team?

[TheGayTent]

so how much are your tom dick and harry tickets behind the goals? anyone in the know?

Edited March 16, 2011 by TheGayTent

[TheGayTent]

As a comparison WHUs range from £36 to £52 for Cat B, and £46 to £64 for Cat A.

[ampersand]

Arsenal tickets range from £49 - £96 for Category A games, and £34 - £67.50 for Category B games.

Edited because they changed when VAT went up to 20%.

[eFestivals]

As a comparison WHUs range from £36 to £52 for Cat B, and £46 to £64 for Cat A.

and there was me thinking that WHU only had category B games.

[ralph250]

hmm, tricky to work out then for season ticket prices based on that. say about £700 for the cheapest though if you work out 40 quid a game plus discount?

i know it's top level but that's still ridiculous.

Edited March 16, 2011 by ralph250

[chappiepunk]

I guess every club has glory hunters, but all clubs have a churn rate* of around 50% anyway and manage to keep their attendances pretty steady, so I don't think it's much of an issue until the whole of football hits a major downturn.

(* this means that around 50% of the people who attend at least one match this season won't attend any matches next season)

Mind you, that major downturn might not be too far away - for one thing there's the state of the economy which means that fewer people have money to spend on non-essentials, and stuff such as Man Utd having trouble selling out their season tickets last summer suggests that that tipping point might not be too far away.

Edited March 16, 2011 by chappiepunk

[ampersand]

edit: Arsenals though considerably higher does include 7 CL and FA cup games in addition to the 19 home league games. Obviously though that's subject to progression. Worse case is that you only get 3 games (CL group stages) if fail to qualify and FA cup you could go out away in the 3rd round. Carling cup doesn't count.

[chappiepunk]

livingston. scottish lower leagues.

so how much are your tom dick and harry tickets behind the goals? anyone in the know?

[chappiepunk]

top 8 most expensive season tickets for the 2010-11 Premier League season:

Arsenal, £1,825

Tottenham, £1,695

Chelsea, £1,210

Newcastle, £975

Man United, £931

Fulham, £899

West Ham, £850

Liverpool, £785

Arsenal's range from £893 to £1825.

Chelsea's £695 to £1210.

United £513 to £931

edit: Arsenals though considerably higher does include 7 CL and FA cup games in addition to the 19 home league games. Obviously though that's subject to progression. Worse case is that you only get 3 games (CL group stages) if fail to qualify and FA cup you could go out away in the 3rd round. Carling cup doesn't count.

...and United have the ACS which is pretty much compulsory purchase of home cup games if have a season ticket subject to a few exceptions; eg. can opt out of Carling cup games, but then affects chances of getting a ticket if get to the final.

[ralph250]

I must say I am surprised to see Spurs so high up that list

[Steve P]

Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to say our prices aren't incredibly expensive, but they're certainly not out of step with what other clubs, especially the london ones, are charging. As Ralph pointed out, our ticket prices included for cup games, for which you get a refund at the end of the season if they're not played.

I might post a rant about player wages later...

[The Nal]

Fergie got a five match ban starting March 22nd. Cant appeal either.

[chappiepunk]

Yeah. Those are centre of the west stand upper

3 most expensive are

rows 01-10, Seats 69-149 £1695

rows 11-15, Seats 69-149 £1480

rows 16-20, Seats 69-149 £1330

Then next to centre, same stand £1175

£650 are the cheapest (south stand lower and family north stand lower)

[chappiepunk]

Fergie got a five match ban starting March 22nd. Cant appeal either.

[Tugger2k]

Yeah. Those are centre of the west stand upper

3 most expensive are

rows 01-10, Seats 69-149 £1695

rows 11-15, Seats 69-149 £1480

rows 16-20, Seats 69-149 £1330

Then next to centre, same stand £1175

£650 are the cheapest (south stand lower and family north stand lower)

[TheGayTent]

What's all this North Stand South Stand crap? Paxton Road or Park Lane!

[TheGayTent]

the west stand is total bollox - i refuse to sit there anymore corporate hoity toitys, no singing, no atmosphere

south stand lower is where its at, or upper if i cant get in there, then east (even with the bloody post in the way) and then the family stand

were that expensive because people will pay it - 25000 on the waiting list

christ we need a new stadium sharpish!!

[The Nal]

Actually Fergie can appeal tomorrow.

[Tugger2k]

Is a bollocks figure because it includes silver, gold, platinum, bronze, lillywhite members etc too.

[eFestivals]

were that expensive because people will pay it - 25000 on the waiting list

hmmmm .... is that a similar 'waiting list' as the one of 60,000 that Utd have, while not selling out their season tickets?

In Utd's case, the waiting list is merely people who already have season tickets who are wanting seats in a better position in the ground to the ones they have already - and comes to mean that they don't actually have a waiting list for season tickets at all (hence them not selling out their season tickets).

I'm not sure if it was deliberately done by Utd or not, but that 60,000 figure was repeated so often without any clarification of what it actually meant (until last summer) that it gave a hugely false impression of the demand for tickets, along with creating a false idea that Utd could increase their ticket prices very significantly without impact on attendances. Ultimately, it's helped create the idea in some people's minds that Utd are worth the £1.5Bn figure that gets chucked about so often - while in a standard business terms they're worth only around £500m or £600m.

[The Nal]

hmmmm .... is that a similar 'waiting list' as the one of 60,000 that Utd have, while not selling out their season tickets?

In Utd's case, the waiting list is merely people who already have season tickets who are wanting seats in a better position in the ground to the ones they have already - and comes to mean that they don't actually have a waiting list for season tickets at all (hence them not selling out their season tickets).

I'm not sure if it was deliberately done by Utd or not, but that 60,000 figure was repeated so often without any clarification of what it actually meant (until last summer) that it gave a hugely false impression of the demand for tickets, along with creating a false idea that Utd could increase their ticket prices very significantly without impact on attendances. Ultimately, it's helped create the idea in some people's minds that Utd are worth the £1.5Bn figure that gets chucked about so often - while in a standard business terms they're worth only around £500m or £600m.

Edited March 16, 2011 by The Nal

[Wooderson]

We're getting close to the "pointless financial debate" thread or whatever, but those figures re: Utd are about "Brand Man Utd" which isn't so easy to judge.

Also, on the season ticket front, I was offered a season ticket for Old Trafford but you have to buy all the champo league and FA Cup tickets too and if you don't sell them you lose out. Too rich for my blood as flights on match day are always a mess from Dublin.

Could end up costing about 4k for the entire season, even if I didn't go to the mid week games and the crap home games against Spurs n stuff.

Edited March 16, 2011 by Wooderson