Mephedrone

[Red_Eye_Jedi]

Human Nature.

We should stop trying to cure cancer and try to find a way to change human nature...

[pukkaone]

There's an article in this weeks NME. Also a story in todays paper about a woman who died after taking it (which states it costs between "£35-40 a gramme").

[Craig_G]

My housemate has a number and has it delivered to our door take away style. 1 hour delivery and £12.50 a g. And that's central London.

[Kyelo]

My housemate has a number and has it delivered to our door take away style. 1 hour delivery and £12.50 a g. And that's central London.

[Boris]

The 'uninformed majority' do base their decisions on information - the problem is that it comes from newspapers and media outlets who don't seem to want to cover the issue sensibly.

It does make me laugh when I see the Angry Right (Mail, Express etc) harp on about crime figures and 'broken Britain' whilst at the same time going apoplectic at the slightest suggestion that we do anything to legalise and regulate the drug market that presently does so much to fund organised crime and to blight our cities.

Maybe one day...........but I'm not holding my breath!!

[Paul ™]

Todays news

[CaptainAcid]

Todays news

[Buddhafish]

It's funny how the press never print the number of dead as a result of alcohol or cigarettes on a daily basis. Yet one person that dies from allegedly taking a 'legal high' is news.

[t0paz]

It's like when I went out the other day and drank 10 pints of rough cider and had a pickled egg. The next day I felt awful. Must have been a bad pickled egg...

[Lucanesque]

It's funny how the press never print the number of dead as a result of alcohol or cigarettes on a daily basis. Yet one person that dies from allegedly taking a 'legal high' is news.

[crosswillcastyourshadow]

It makes me seriously question my faith in our supposed "left wing" government when they ignore hard scientific evidence (from people who know a lot more than them) in order to fulfil the agendas of the war on drugs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8334774.stm

[Phil-itfc]

after having had a small ammount over the last 2 weekends. I had my first bigger hit of this last night watching the Prodigy (who were very good) I had 1 big bomb and 1 smaller bomb in 1 go found I came up quicker than expected and for about 20 minutes was absolutely buzzing (which was a tad annoying as Prodigy hadn't come on til half way through this 20 miute period) after that I felt energetic and a rather chatty dispite being at a gig. all through the gig I felt good but by the end my buzz had almost gone.

I'd do it again but only occasionally (prob be glasto)

[marktea]

It makes me seriously question my faith in our supposed "left wing" government when they ignore hard scientific evidence (from people who know a lot more than them) in order to fulfil the agendas of the war on drugs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8334774.stm

[Guest musiclove123]

Yes the media just twists facts to sell more papers. The media lie day in,day out. How can anybody trust what they say about drugs?!

Edited January 27, 2010 by musiclove123

[worthyraver]

It's like when I went out the other day and drank 10 pints of rough cider and had a pickled egg. The next day I felt awful. Must have been a bad pickled egg...

[fowls]

Our current approach does not work so change will come one day despite the best efforts of the shouty brigade.

[DiscoDolly]

Well this is the difference between principles and politics. In the real political world governments are at the mercy of sensationalist press coverage on issues like this. They introduce change at their peril. The most recent and obvious example would be the bashing that Obama has taken over the health care issue in the US.

While the electorate is mis-informed it becomes very tough for politicians to change the flow of the tide. It will happen one day (our slow but steady progress on attitudes towards racism and homosexuality are good examples) but for mainstream politicians to act requires a groundswell of public opinion. We still have not reached critical mass (or anything like it) in favour of drug law change yet. So when a government is told by its experts that the law is wrong, unfortunately politics dictates that the law will only change if there is sufficient buy-in from the public. Its a sad fact but ultimately its only a question of time. Our current approach does not work so change will come one day despite the best efforts of the shouty brigade.

[DiscoDolly]

I'm not so sure. It's much easier for the law to treat all recreational drugs as bad other than alcohol, and I doubt there'll ever be a time when the populous cares enough to make a concerted effort to change the law. We've reached pretty a fine balance now; the government is officially against drugs, the people who want drugs can take it illegally pretty easily. There's no reason for that balance to ever change.

[Katster]

I've never had a pickled egg. Are they even nice?

[Craig_G]

Is it time for this thread to be moved to the Leftfield Tent yet?

[Alzeefest]

I've never had a pickled egg. Are they even nice?

[ivan]

I've never had a pickled egg. Are they even nice?

[fowls]

The use of recreational drugs is a much more common occurence within society now, The generations who see it as the scourge of mankind are dying off...most young people now accept that its a matter of personal choice AND education, most young people (and a lot of us who are not so young) respect the rights of others to choose .... and thats when the balance will change.

Edited January 28, 2010 by fowls

[pman]

The prohibition era showed that if people have alcohol taken away they'll seek it out as they feel its their right in a way that's never really happened with any other drug. Keeping drugs illegal means that less people see it as a civil right, and so it can be considered a simple black and white situation. It's a floodgate situation; legalise drugs and it all goes wrong after a few years... it'll be very hard to sort out once everyone sees drugs as a normal everyday thing.

Besides, legalising a drug for recreational use has never been done in modern times, I wouldn't be surprised if the government were scared of how to implement the introduction of the drug even if they were 100% behind legalising it. There'd probably be a lot of people taking stupid amounts as soon as it was legalised. I doubt any government would want to take those risks for something purely recreational, it'd be a lot of money and effort cutting through red tape and writing up new laws just to provide a luxury that is in no ways practical. And definitely wouldn't win votes.

I understand you think it should be legalised because there's nothing wrong with it, but I don't think it will be legalised until there's something provably good. And well, there's no practical advantage to a recreational drug, by it's very definition it's just there for pleasure and nothing else. So what political pressure is there? Other than doing it out of spite to piss off criminal organisations there's no compelling reasons to legalise. "It's fun and does no harm" doesn't cut it.

[DiscoDolly]

The prohibition era showed that if people have alcohol taken away they'll seek it out as they feel its their right in a way that's never really happened with any other drug. Keeping drugs illegal means that less people see it as a civil right, and so it can be considered a simple black and white situation. It's a floodgate situation; legalise drugs and it all goes wrong after a few years... it'll be very hard to sort out once everyone sees drugs as a normal everyday thing.

I understand you think it should be legalised because there's nothing wrong with it, but I don't think it will be legalised until there's something provably good. And well, there's no practical advantage to a recreational drug, by it's very definition it's just there for pleasure and nothing else. So what political pressure is there? Other than doing it out of spite to piss off criminal organisations there's no compelling reasons to legalise. "It's fun and does no harm" doesn't cut it.

Plus no one really knows what will happen when new recrational drugs are legalised. It'd be a huge trial of both how the drug is issued and the legislation behind use. That's a huge amount of money to be spent on an experiment with an unknown outcome.