Football 2024/25

[charlierc]

33 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I put it in the general news thread, while I think Lineker is good at his job, I think his salary is too high considering it is a public broadcaster. Nobody stops watching big football matches because of a change of presenter. I personally think ITV coverage is now better than bbc.

I mean, the bigger issue is surely that Sky have the rights to put up 3-5 minute clips of each PL game within minutes of the game finishing. That's how I watch Premier League highlights, anyway.

 

Although paradoxically I actually prefer highlight shows for FA Cup and EFL, and the new Champions League highlights show is also a great addition.

[pink_triangle]

25 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Don’t think there’s a presenter that’s anything like as good as him … loads of dross about . Match of the day will lose viewers in my opinion … will see how it pans out … bbc is losing quality generally … few sport programmes , natural history and Glastonbury are the things they still do well . But having gibb and co on the board losing quality and impartiality is just what they want so they can run it into the ground 

I think it’s the football that’s the draw. If people don’t like the presenters they fast forward through. If England have a big knockout game in an international tournament then nobody stops watching because of the presenter. I feel the BBC production has got a bit stale which is why I prefer ITV in recent years. Can’t even remember who the ITV presenter is, so it’s obviously not putting me off.

[Neil]

i bet jemane jenus is pissed off that linekar is quitting.

[charlierc]

9 hours ago, Neil said:

i bet jemane jenus is pissed off that linekar is quitting.

He's only got himself to blame for that.

[charlierc]

16 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

I think it’s the football that’s the draw. If people don’t like the presenters they fast forward through. If England have a big knockout game in an international tournament then nobody stops watching because of the presenter. I feel the BBC production has got a bit stale which is why I prefer ITV in recent years. Can’t even remember who the ITV presenter is, so it’s obviously not putting me off.

Mark Pougatch was their main host during the Euros.

 

Likely it'll be Chapman given the BBC seems to like using Gabby Logan elsewhere, although Alex Scott might be a shout? She was good as a host of Euros highlights shows I caught last summer.

[thetime]

We all agree don't we? 

 

Knowing the liverpool fans, they will want replays for the games he has reffed. 

 

Edited November 12, 2024 by thetime

[thetime]

16 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

I think it’s the football that’s the draw. If people don’t like the presenters they fast forward through. If England have a big knockout game in an international tournament then nobody stops watching because of the presenter. I feel the BBC production has got a bit stale which is why I prefer ITV in recent years. Can’t even remember who the ITV presenter is, so it’s obviously not putting me off.

 

Presenters and pundits are a bit of a waste of time. We can all see it's bad defending or woeful finishing. Do we need an ex pro, to tell us.

 

 

[kaosmark2]

6 minutes ago, thetime said:

We all agree don't we? 

 

Knowing the liverpool fans, they will want replays for the games he has reffed. 

 

That Klopp is arrogant and makes a bunch of excuses?

 

Yep.

[Gnomicide]

6 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

That Klopp is arrogant and makes a bunch of excuses?

 

Yep.

 

A football manager? Arrogant? Making excuses?

 

Well, blow me down.

[kaosmark2]

6 minutes ago, Gnomicide said:

A football manager? Arrogant? Making excuses?

 

Well, blow me down.

 

I think Klopp went past Mourinho's level in how much he found to complain about. And he did this while barely winning trophies and somehow getting massive accolades. The only league he won had changing rules and timetables.

[thetime]

8 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

 

I think Klopp went past Mourinho's level in how much he found to complain about. And he did this while barely winning trophies and somehow getting massive accolades. The only league he won had changing rules and timetables.

 

Totally in agreement.

 

With how liverpool are doing now, he perhaps wasn't even that successful. Apart from the winner at fist bumping. 

[Gnomicide]

Champions League, Premier League, FA Cup, League Cup (x2), Super Cup, Club World Cup, barely anything.

 

All this while competing against a ridiculously good Man City side. 

 

What a ride it was, I wouldn't change a thing (apart from seeing the back of Club 115).

 

 

[charlierc]

1 hour ago, kaosmark2 said:

 

I think Klopp went past Mourinho's level in how much he found to complain about. And he did this while barely winning trophies and somehow getting massive accolades. The only league he won had changing rules and timetables.

Tbf it was basically theirs by the time covid got involved and I don't think in February 2020 we were expecting March to be such a colossal shitshow. And I agree that Klopp did gain a reputation by the end of being too much of a whiner.

 

But I guess it's still going to be a sh*t look for the PGMOL given how many people think all referees hate them and this has just opened the floodgates for it.

[charlierc]

19 hours ago, #1SzigetFan said:

 

I'm pretty damn sure this wouldn't have been overturned for a foul & red card if Nunez didn't score.

 

Ref was playing advantage for the shot Nunez scored. I think if he misses it would be pulled back with some kind of sanction for Leon Bailey and given Nunez's profligacy it wasn't that out of the realms of possibility.

 

Certainly, it's not as bad as other messes there's been.

Edited November 12, 2024 by charlierc

[Gnomicide]

12 minutes ago, charlierc said:

Ref was playing advantage for the shot Nunez scored. I think if he misses it would be pulled back with some kind of sanction for Leon Bailey and given Nunez's profligacy it wasn't that out of the realms of possibility.

 

Certainly, it's not as bad as other messes there's been.

 

Nah, he signalled no foul, not play on. If he'd thought it was a foul, he would (or should) have booked Bailey after the goal.

[Crazyfool01]

1 hour ago, thetime said:

We all agree don't we? 

 

Knowing the liverpool fans, they will want replays for the games he has reffed. 

 

surely as a supporter of an obviously different team you want better refereeing standards than being divisive on the matter ? or is there an issue that someone you dont like might just be proved right .... ? Im a Liverpool fan but dont want replays but I also dont want shite refereeing that spoils the games ? 

[thetime]

38 minutes ago, Gnomicide said:

Champions League, Premier League, FA Cup, League Cup (x2), Super Cup, Club World Cup, barely anything.

 

 

 

 

 

2 major trophies in 9 years, I'd say so.

 

It's why the big clubs sack there manager after winning domestic cups. Hey liverpool themselves sacked there biggest legend after winning the league cup. That was 12 years ago, when cups were a bit more relevant than they are now. 

 

 

[thetime]

8 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

surely as a supporter of an obviously different team you want better refereeing standards than being divisive on the matter ? or is there an issue that someone you dont like might just be proved right .... ? Im a Liverpool fan but dont want replays but I also dont want shite refereeing that spoils the games ? 

 

Didn't hear many complaints from Liverpool fans, in relation to the ghost goal against Chelsea a few years back. 

 

It's got zilch to do with refereeing standards, more that you are a victim from it. 

 

Liverpool v City champions league final 1-1.

95th minute and Liverpool get a soft penalty, are Liverpool fans complaining? Of course not, it's to your advantage. 

 

It's like for years the likes City and Newcastle fans moaning about chelsea's billions. Now they are loving it. Even down the pyramid, are Wrexham fans moaning about having a chance.of the championship because of the owners. 

 

Football fans are only interested when ot goes against then

 

[kaosmark2]

18 minutes ago, thetime said:

 

Didn't hear many complaints from Liverpool fans, in relation to the ghost goal against Chelsea a few years back. 

 

It's got zilch to do with refereeing standards, more that you are a victim from it. 

 

Liverpool v City champions league final 1-1.

95th minute and Liverpool get a soft penalty, are Liverpool fans complaining? Of course not, it's to your advantage. 

 

It's like for years the likes City and Newcastle fans moaning about chelsea's billions. Now they are loving it. Even down the pyramid, are Wrexham fans moaning about having a chance.of the championship because of the owners. 

 

Football fans are only interested when ot goes against then

 

I'm not loving our billions. It's better than Ashley but it's still a bit soulless. I'm sure my hypocrisy will rear in full whenever we win a trophy but I don't think I'll be able to enjoy it as much. That's the game now though.

[kaosmark2]

38 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

surely as a supporter of an obviously different team you want better refereeing standards than being divisive on the matter ? or is there an issue that someone you dont like might just be proved right .... ? Im a Liverpool fan but dont want replays but I also dont want shite refereeing that spoils the games ? 

I'm not targeting you here, but a lot of Liverpool fans online have loved to make the claim that they're just holding referees to account "for the good of the game". It's bullshit. Liverpool fans complain because they've felt aggrieved, and Klopp, more than any other manager in the last 30 years, has fed into a a mentality of victimhood and conspiracy amongst fans.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, kaosmark2 said:

I'm not targeting you here, but a lot of Liverpool fans online have loved to make the claim that they're just holding referees to account "for the good of the game". It's bullshit. Liverpool fans complain because they've felt aggrieved, and Klopp, more than any other manager in the last 30 years, has fed into a a mentality of victimhood and conspiracy amongst fans.

I just want fair standards and I think if those were the case then Liverpool would be net beneficiaries , however if Liverpool have won something where the decision has been poor then it should work the other way .... this ref shouldn't be reffing in the premier league and its unlikely to be an isolated one sadly .... European refs does seem a better idea in my opinion with all the money being thrown around in that league . However grumpy Klopp may get I love his morals and absolute passion for the job  sometimes he seems over the top to others .... I think mourihno and Fergy were equally as passionate and probably equally as disliked ..

[thetime]

39 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

I just want fair standards and I think if those were the case then Liverpool would be net beneficiaries , however if Liverpool have won something where the decision has been poor then it should work the other way .... this ref shouldn't be reffing in the premier league and its unlikely to be an isolated one sadly .... European refs does seem a better idea in my opinion with all the money being thrown around in that league . However grumpy Klopp may get I love his morals and absolute passion for the job  sometimes he seems over the top to others .... I think mourihno and Fergy were equally as passionate and probably equally as disliked ..

 

Fergie was more disliked than klopp, which he and utd fans knew in general. The dislike for fergie and utd drove it all to the success we had. 

 

Klopp and Liverpool fans on the other hand, think there's this universal love for klopp and Liverpool in general. 

 

 

[kaosmark2]

44 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

I just want fair standards and I think if those were the case then Liverpool would be net beneficiaries , however if Liverpool have won something where the decision has been poor then it should work the other way .... this ref shouldn't be reffing in the premier league and its unlikely to be an isolated one sadly .... European refs does seem a better idea in my opinion with all the money being thrown around in that league . However grumpy Klopp may get I love his morals and absolute passion for the job  sometimes he seems over the top to others .... I think mourihno and Fergy were equally as passionate and probably equally as disliked ..

The thing is, I think Klopp deserves to be compared to Mourinho and Fergie in how toxic they were to referees, broadcasters, and frankly, most people in the game outside their club.

 

The media present Klopp as this paragon of virtue that's loved by everyone except Liverpool's rivals.... I always had more of a soft spot for Liverpool than a lot of the other big clubs - until Klopp's whining got to me. 

 

Liverpool fans and Klopp aren't protecting football, or being some inspiration for everyone else in the game. It's just grievance mining and delusion, supported by the large number of ex-Liverpool players in punditry.

[kaosmark2]

6 minutes ago, thetime said:

 

Fergie was more disliked than klopp, which he and utd fans knew in general. The dislike for fergie and utd drove it all to the success we had. 

 

Klopp and Liverpool fans on the other hand, think there's this universal love for klopp and Liverpool in general. 

 

Absolutely. I still laugh whenever Man U lose to an extra time goal after years of hating the impact of "Fergie time". But most Man U fans know and understand that and take it in decent spirits. If you're from a not-rival club and you laugh at a Liverpool loss, you're likely to get accused of wanting big oil clubs to win the league every year, and told that you should be grateful someone challenged Pep's City to give interesting title races.

[thetime]

1 hour ago, kaosmark2 said:

 

Absolutely. I still laugh whenever Man U lose to an extra time goal after years of hating the impact of "Fergie time". But most Man U fans know and understand that and take it in decent spirits. If you're from a not-rival club and you laugh at a Liverpool loss, you're likely to get accused of wanting big oil clubs to win the league every year, and told that you should be grateful someone challenged Pep's City to give interesting title races.

 

It's liverpool...nobheads