Climate Change

[Skip997]

10 hours ago, kerplunk said:

Lots of questions over it, but how is it cheating when the goal is *net* zero?

It allows us to keep on using fossil fuels which is extremely foolish in the long term, and delays us making the necessary adjustments to our over consumption 

[Skip997]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyjk92w9k1o
 

 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

It allows us to keep on using fossil fuels which is extremely foolish in the long term, and delays us making the necessary adjustments to our over consumption 

I think point is that will probably still need to be using fossil fuels for a while, for things like steel and concrete. So having both carbon capture along with a reduction of fossil fuels best way to hit targets so quickly. But as pointed out in that document lots of people like George Monbiot disagree and think all we need to do is go back to being hunter gatherers.

[kerplunk]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

It allows us to keep on using fossil fuels which is extremely foolish in the long term, and delays us making the necessary adjustments to our over consumption 

 

The 'ball' is greenhouse gases in the atmosphere

 

All of the emissions scenarios for limiting warming by the end of the century call for negative emissions to achieve, and the more we overshoot in the meantime the more negative emissions needed.

 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyjk92w9k1o
 

 

bloody cold this morning though

[steviewevie]

If continue to see higher than expected temperatures and climate change actually worse than forecast then they might have to do something radical alongside speeding up a reduction in fossil fuel use...some geoengineering stuff...injecting aerosols into the atmosphere to reflect sunlight and cool us down a bit...that sort of stuff.

But then that would mean some sort of global agreement, so probably unlikely.

[kerplunk]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyjk92w9k1o
 

 

 

"Another prominent theory is a reduction in the number of small particles in the atmosphere, known as aerosols"

 

I'm subscribed to James Hansen's updates - he was banging the drum about a 'Faustian payment' coming in due to reduced aerosols prior to the bonkers record breaking global av temps of the last couple of years.

 

Latest analysis just published here:

 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00139157.2025.2434494#

[kerplunk]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

If continue to see higher than expected temperatures and climate change actually worse than forecast then they might have to do something radical alongside speeding up a reduction in fossil fuel use...some geoengineering stuff...injecting aerosols into the atmosphere to reflect sunlight and cool us down a bit...that sort of stuff.

But then that would mean some sort of global agreement, so probably unlikely.

 

 

We could blame China again for cleaning up their dirty coal burning act

[kaosmark2]

14 hours ago, kerplunk said:

Lots of questions over it, but how is it cheating when the goal is *net* zero?

I'd say the biggest way it's cheating is sometimes the same carbon capture credits are sold to multiple companies. I don't have a problem with the technology, but the global regulation around buying/selling carbon credits is f**ked.

[kerplunk]

42 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

I'd say the biggest way it's cheating is sometimes the same carbon capture credits are sold to multiple companies. I don't have a problem with the technology, but the global regulation around buying/selling carbon credits is f**ked.

 

 

Well that would clearly be cheating obviously, but has little to do with the method itself

[kaosmark2]

2 hours ago, kerplunk said:

Well that would clearly be cheating obviously, but has little to do with the method itself

Yeah. I'm mostly distrustful of the capitalism surrounding it, not the technology.

[Skip997]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c30d4ernzqjo
 

It just gets more ridiculous by the day. We really are on a suicide mission 

[Skip997]

On 2/11/2025 at 9:51 AM, Skip997 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c30d4ernzqjo
 

It just gets more ridiculous by the day. We really are on a suicide mission 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce85709xdk4o

[steviewevie]

36 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce85709xdk4o

maybe this year's COP will be the last.

[steviewevie]

Britain’s net zero economy is booming, CBI says | Green economy | The Guardian

[Skip997]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3374ekd11po
 

Suicide 

[steviewevie]

[Skip997]

Over 10 years ago the economist Nicholas Stern told us that going down the green route would be far less expensive than continuing as we were

[Crazyfool01]

10 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Over 10 years ago the economist Nicholas Stern told us that going down the green route would be far less expensive than continuing as we were

I mean it's pretty obvious and for those concerned about migration then they aint seen nothing yet ....  the idiots fall will likely fall into the climate denial category also 

[Skip997]

3 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

I mean it's pretty obvious and for those concerned about migration then they aint seen nothing yet ....  the idiots fall will likely fall into the climate denial category also 

Yeah, the reasons for going down the green route are numerous, almost endless. 
 

And even if climate change was a hoax, going green all round would lead to healthier, happier lives and a far more pleasant environment. 

[steviewevie]

‘Green colonialism’ attack on $30bn Morocco-UK power link plan | Recharge

[steviewevie]

Apparently it's neo-colonial for Morocco to sell it's renewable energy to Europe.

[Skip997]

Morocco selling its renewable energy to Europe is one of the few sensible options.

 

Shame we’re closer to this than ever

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8gPSGrpIlkc

 

 

 

 

[steviewevie]

Half of world’s CO2 emissions come from 36 fossil fuel firms, study shows | Fossil fuels | The Guardian

[Skip997]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vy191rgn1o
 

Turning into some sort of sick joke now