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1 minute ago, zahidf said:

She said publicly last night she wanted to

 

I guess that might be as a result of the handling of her re-instatement.  She didn't seem like a well woman on the TV last night.

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5 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Under Corbyn, and for the first 3 years of Starmer, I consistently said that the favouring of allies and factionalism was in line with most previous leaders across both main parties. A bit worse than Ed Miliband, but probably in line with Brown, Blair, Cameron, or Major. The last 18 months have been a joke though. 

 

He doesn't really publicly stand for anything other than middle east politics and loyalty to Starmer, he's director of a company called "We believe in Israel", and when he was an Oxford Labour councillor he was known for shouting people down and accusing people of being "traitors".

 

I didn't bother going back to Bristol Labour meetings a while ago because of shouty abusive Corbynistas, and I wouldn't have been interested in going to Oxford ones because of the reputation of this shitbag.

 

looked on his twitter feed, or whatever is left of it. It's all just Labour stuff, and support for Israel's new Labour party leader. Looked on his blog thing and it is all NEC meeting minutes which is actually quite interesting.

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12 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Might vote Lib Dems

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I can't see why he thinks this will bring votes. 'Man of the People' maybe.

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2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

well apparently this is what Labour actually did want...but the leak to the Times f**ked it.

 

Yeah its a bit late to try and resurrect that deal if it existed. Starmer praised Diane Abbott earlier as well but it was all past tense. He ended by saying at this election we want the best candidates which sounds like they won't keep her. They'll end up offering her a peerage.

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4 minutes ago, lazyred said:

 

Yeah its a bit late to try and resurrect that deal if it existed. Starmer praised Diane Abbott earlier as well but it was all past tense. He ended by saying at this election we want the best candidates which sounds like they won't keep her. They'll end up offering her a peerage.

Yeah, let her stand I reckon, and if she decides to stand so be it. They have to decide by next Tuesday, probably need to decide before then because this is taking up all the oxygen.

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23 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

 

I can't see why he thinks this will bring votes. 'Man of the People' maybe.

No one knows who Ed Davey is, gets people talking about them I guess.

 

In slightly related news I thought the Lib Dems did a really funny Tik Tok the other day taking the piss out of Sunak playing football with a Peep Show voiceover.

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4 hours ago, lazyred said:

Bad for who? Labour's main message is Don't be afraid we really have changed.

Activists will feel deflated and angry. Voters will think Oh, maybe they really have changed.



If you think that a single percent of Labour’s majority comes from anything other than the conservatives being a total binfire for the last few years and the UK being a two party system, you’re just not getting it.

 

I would be amazed if one single voter decides that yes axing Abbott is the final drop, now I will vote Labour.

 

Meanwhile many in her constituency will decide yes axing Abbott is the final drop, now I will not vote Labour.

 

And the news story is then about labour infighting instead of whatever sh*t policy Starmer wanted to peddle this week, and then U turn on.

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Many people will know of Abbott...she was probably the most well known Corbynista after Corbyn himself...but she probably was more liked and at same time disliked than Corbyn...because of her being a black woman. I don't know how this all sits with the general public, I expect a lot of people will be sympathetic for her, a lot of people will think Labour are doing the right thing in getting rid, a lot of people will just think Labour are a joke, and a lot of people won't give a flying f**k. But Labour need to sort it out and move on. Just let her stand ffs. She's probably going to retire soonish anyway.

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35 minutes ago, mattiloy said:



If you think that a single percent of Labour’s majority comes from anything other than the conservatives being a total binfire for the last few years and the UK being a two party system, you’re just not getting it.

 

 


I agree it’s more that people are looking to get rid of the Tory’s then a love for labour. However would people have been passionately voting labour if RLB had won the leadership who was the only realistic contender. I expect some would be voting labour feeling happier but not among the swing voters who matter.

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18 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Personally I am more interested in the utter bullshit both Tory and Labour have said in their dossiers on the other one.

Are they trying to outlie each other and lost the ability to just be honest and have policies instead?

If one party is honest and the other isn’t I’m not convinced the honest party is the one rewarded.

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1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

So your point was that people disagreed with them and that was not OK as they could not cope with it?

Last 'debate' I had with them was to point out and show that they said two totally opposite things re byelections to try and make their point of view correct on two occasions.

I am sorry but the 'welcome' most got here from them and you when you joined forces to attack anyone who dared to question Labour was so over the top and made numerous people not post any more.

You have been, on the whole, far nicer and more reasonable since they went away.

Anyway.

Labour are more like the Tories every day.

So the winner is Tory or Tory not so lite

 

My point was I'm glad he's not here because he'd be getting loads of sh*t, probably from you. I didn't say anything was OK or not OK. The bloke has a few mental health issues, and he did wind people up the wrong way in his defence of Labour/Starmer and used disgraceful insults like Tory,  but at same time he got lot back, called virgin or incel or weird etc.

 

Anyway, to your point about Labour which I'm no idea why you felt you needed to make...

I'll be voting Tory not so lite because I want Tories #1 out, and I couldn't live with myself if I voted elsewhere and they ended up winning because opportunities like this don't come along very often. Whether they'll be any good who knows, I am sceptical, but that is the choice..it is Starmer or Sunak.

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