news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

 

[cellar]

3 hours ago, fraybentos1 said:

I’d like a hung Parliament tbh, with starmer’s illiberal instincts curtailed a little by the Lib Dem’s. Outside chance of electoral reform etc. 

Don’t get why you’re saying Labour want a hung parly?

Ah I was just being facetious, never mind haha

[kaosmark2]

3 hours ago, fraybentos1 said:

I’d like a hung Parliament tbh, with starmer’s illiberal instincts curtailed a little by the Lib Dem’s. Outside chance of electoral reform etc. 

Don’t get why you’re saying Labour want a hung parly?

We need it. Labour without Lib Dems would be worse than the Cameron/Gideon/Clegg government.

[kaosmark2]

3 hours ago, Ozanne said:

I wonder if certain people in here will ever critique the Tories horrendous policies on the (supposedly) really important issues like climate change and immigration? Or just go on about Labour who aren’t in government? I think we all know the answer, but stay tuned to find out. 

This is the first personal attack in this thread in 4 days.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

This is the first personal attack in this thread in 4 days.

It’s an observation.

[fraybentos1]

12 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

This is the first personal attack in this thread in 4 days.

Out of nowhere too, and about the tenth time this week he's done the whole 'some people' thing. It ruins the thread.

 

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

It’s an observation.

It was you being pathetically passive aggressive as always. 

[kaosmark2]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

It’s an observation.

No, it's a passive-aggressive jibe designed to provoke people.

The reason people aren't criticising the Tories is because there's 0 contention whatsoever that the Tories are terrible. That's not news. That's not even different from any other points in the last 50 years.

Labour tacking further right than Cameron/Gideon is news.

[fraybentos1]

19 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

We need it. Labour without Lib Dems would be worse than the Cameron/Gideon/Clegg government.

Mental what has happened if you're banking on the LDs to make Labour more palatable. Sad state off affairs.

Electoral reform is a big thing for me but think I am naive to think it will ever happen sometimes. Although Davey won't get mugged off again like Clegg with that AV ref if he even has a modicum of sense.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

No, it's a passive-aggressive jibe designed to provoke people.

The reason people aren't criticising the Tories is because there's 0 contention whatsoever that the Tories are terrible. That's not news. That's not even different from any other points in the last 50 years.

Labour tacking further right than Cameron/Gideon is news.

It's fake news

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

No, it's a passive-aggressive jibe designed to provoke people.

The reason people aren't criticising the Tories is because there's 0 contention whatsoever that the Tories are terrible. That's not news. That's not even different from any other points in the last 50 years.

Labour tacking further right than Cameron/Gideon is news.

You are wrong, there was a quoted post from 3 days ago which you conveniently ignored.

You can justify why you let the Tories off all you like but the double standards is quite telling. 

[kaosmark2]

7 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Mental what has happened if you're banking on the LDs to make Labour more palatable. Sad state off affairs.

Electoral reform is a big thing for me but think I am naive to think it will ever happen sometimes. Although Davey won't get mugged off again like Clegg with that AV ref if he even has a modicum of sense.

I just can't see it happening through Starmer. I'd love to be proven wrong but I can't envisage it coming for another 20 years.

[kaosmark2]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

You are wrong, there was a quoted post from 3 days ago which you conveniently ignored.

You can justify why you let the Tories off all you like but the double standards is quite telling. 

Oh, the difference between 3-4 days. Remarkable!

The Tories are tacking right to differentiate themselves more from Labour. Labour are tacking right to "prove electable to Tories". When both parties are tacking substantially towards the right, I'm going to criticise the party that I have an emotional investment in. You've heard this before.

[Guest]

Just now, kaosmark2 said:

Oh, the difference between 3-4 days. Remarkable!

The Tories are tacking right to differentiate themselves more from Labour. Labour are tacking right to "prove electable to Tories". When both parties are tacking substantially towards the right, I'm going to criticise the party that I have an emotional investment in. You've heard this before.

That post was re-shared today, which I note you didn’t comment on.

That might be your reason but I doubt it’s others reasons. To me that lets the Tories off and just because they are terrible all the time isn’t a reason to never call them out on it. People doing that is a part of the reason we get so much Tory rule. 

[Crazyfool01]

7 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

That post was re-shared today, which I note you didn’t comment on.

That might be your reason but I doubt it’s others reasons. To me that lets the Tories off and just because they are terrible all the time isn’t a reason to never call them out on it. People doing that is a part of the reason we get so much Tory rule. 

do you acknowledge the covid thread spent several years calling out the tories ? 

[cellar]

Can I just check, is the "some people" that Ozanne refers to always fraybentos, or can it be other people? 

[Crazyfool01]

37 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

You can justify why you let the Tories off all you like but the double standards is quite telling

its a politics thread not a Kier Starmer Love in 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, cellar said:

Can I just check, is the "some people" that Ozanne refers to always fraybentos, or can it be other people? 

nah I reckon its Stevie 🙂 

[fraybentos1]

5 minutes ago, cellar said:

Can I just check, is the "some people" that Ozanne refers to always fraybentos, or can it be other people? 

Can't be me cause he's been assuring everyone for 2 years he has me on ignore, yet every post of his is aimed at me.

A cry for help? Perhaps 

I'm not a psychologist but I think today it was his way of trying to start an argument on what presumably is a very boring saturday for him. He loves to convince people that he is the biggest Labour man about despite for some bizarre reason not being a member of the party despite genuinely adoring Starmer. 

[fraybentos1]

7 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

nah I reckon its Stevie 🙂 

Tbf even Stevie's basically given up on Ozanne now. Sad 😕 but i guess people can only take so much

[kaosmark2]

Bigger simp?

Dorries for Bojo

Ozanne for Starmer

[cellar]

At first I thought it's obviously Dorries, but actually I'm not so sure. I reckon Ozanne would back Starmer if he said we needed to scrap child benefits to pay for bankers bonuses.

Although in the interests of decency, I'm comparing the two strictly only in the sycophantic sense - Nadine Dorries is a vile, vile person.

[steviewevie]

45 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

its a politics thread not a Kier Starmer Love in 

Keir.

Sir Keir to you.

[Guest]

46 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

its a politics thread not a Kier Starmer Love in 

So feel free to criticise the Tories on occasion?

[cellar]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

So feel free to criticise the Tories on occasion?

Crazyfool has criticised the Tories in this thread within the last 24 hours

[kaosmark2]

21 minutes ago, cellar said:

At first I thought it's obviously Dorries, but actually I'm not so sure. I reckon Ozanne would back Starmer if he said we needed to scrap child benefits to pay for bankers bonuses.

Although in the interests of decency, I'm comparing the two strictly only in the sycophantic sense - Nadine Dorries is a vile, vile person.

I'm not going to compare any human being to Dorries in terms of their humanity.