news & politics:discussion

[Crazyfool01]

8 minutes ago, lost said:

Ukraine's government just posted and quickly deleted a pro-Boris tweet.

maybe he should move there and show them how useless he is 

[Guest]

I look forward to all the Tory MPs saying they will resign the whip or stand down if Johnson becomes PM again doing absolutely nothing. 

[Crazyfool01]

 

[Crazyfool01]

Worst PM right here 

[Crazyfool01]

 

[Guest]

 

[Crazyfool01]

7 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

this is exactly why he needs to win 

[Guest]

Just now, Crazyfool01 said:

this is exactly why he needs to win 

Yeah I see your point, I go back and forth over it. 

[steviewevie]

Does anyone think he might win them the next election?

[squirrelarmy]

He can’t win them an election if the party no longer exists. 

[FloorFiller]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Does anyone think he might win them the next election?

If he was allowed to remain in office that long, then yeah, I could see that. People are idiots and have very short memories, and any of his prior misdeeds could easily be overlooked by far too many people if he comes and ‘fixes’ everything. For whatever reason (mostly because he’d be good to have a pint with, or something) people who like him really like him. A lovable buffoon. 

[Crazyfool01]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Does anyone think he might win them the next election?

Not a hope … unless the Labour Party implode in spectacular fashion 

[Crazyfool01]

5 minutes ago, FloorFiller said:

If he was allowed to remain in office that long, then yeah, I could see that. People are idiots and have very short memories, and any of his prior misdeeds could easily be overlooked by far too many people if he comes and ‘fixes’ everything. For whatever reason (mostly because he’d be good to have a pint with, or something) people who like him really like him. A lovable buffoon. 

While I agree with most of the points here I just think there are too many things now , he’s gone past a point of no return . If he comes back he won’t be any different and there will be plenty more scandals to come … if he could be absolutely squeaky clean then I guess there might be a remote chance but that’s just not how Boris works 

[steviewevie]

17 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

While I agree with most of the points here I just think there are too many things now , he’s gone past a point of no return . If he comes back he won’t be any different and there will be plenty more scandals to come … if he could be absolutely squeaky clean then I guess there might be a remote chance but that’s just not how Boris works 

Politicians rarely become more popular when in power, and Johnson had gone from pretty popular to really unpopular whilst PM, but people seem to have forgotten about all that whilst he's been out of the picture the last few months. Don't think it will take long before muscle memory kicks in and people remember what a c**t he is.

[Crazyfool01]

where do I find who my MP is backing ?  

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

where do I find who my MP is backing ?  

 

https://news.sky.com/story/next-prime-minister-uk-latest-boris-johnson-rishi-sunak-truss-mordaunt-12593360?postid=4704675#liveblog-body

[squirrelarmy]

My local idiot hasn’t declared yet

[tigger123]

1 hour ago, Crazyfool01 said:

this is exactly why he needs to win 

I see your point but people are suffering right now and I don’t see how more chaos is going to anything but make the situation worse for those already struggling. I know Rishi is hardly gonna start gifting money to people but at least he won’t scare the markets to make the country even poorer due to higher borrowing rates.

I would love the tories to implode at any other time in history but I don’t think that is a good thing for society today, too many people are already on a cliff edge 

 

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, tigger123 said:

I see your point but people are suffering right now and I don’t see how more chaos is going to anything but make the situation worse for those already struggling. I know Rishi is hardly gonna start gifting money to people but at least he won’t scare the markets to make the country even poorer due to higher borrowing rates.

I would love the tories to implode at any other time in history but I don’t think that is a good thing for society today, too many people are already on a cliff edge 

 

The quicker we get to a general election the better …. Whoever we get isn’t going to miraculously sort anything … absolutely grim I’m aware but it’s kind of where we are …just that Boris gets us to the general election and some kind of proper resolution rather than a Tory party fighting amongst themselves 

[tigger123]

3 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

The quicker we get to a general election the better …. Whoever we get isn’t going to miraculously sort anything … absolutely grim I’m aware but it’s kind of where we are …just that Boris gets us to the general election and some kind of proper resolution rather than a Tory party fighting amongst themselves 

You don’t know that for certain. What is certain is that he will lead to more chaos. Even if Johnson got ousted as a result of the chaos im still not convinced we’d get an election given the tories care primarily about party than country and I don’t see them going to the country with the polls looking like they would lose heavily

 

Chris Mason said an election is least likely under Johnson as he is the only candidate with a mandate from the country from the 2019 election 

Edited October 21, 2022 by tigger123

[steviewevie]

Johnson the greenest of the candidates...

How green are the Tory leadership candidates this time round? | Conservative leadership | The Guardian

[Crazyfool01]

15 minutes ago, tigger123 said:

You don’t know that for certain. What is certain is that he will lead to more chaos. Even if Johnson got ousted as a result of the chaos im still not convinced we’d get an election given the tories care primarily about party than country and I don’t see them going to the country with the polls looking like they would lose heavily

 

Chris Mason said an election is least likely under Johnson as he is the only candidate with a mandate from the country from the 2019 election 

More the fact he won’t bring unity he will cause mps fingers crossed to cross the floor … he’s also got an ongoing investigation into him .. we don’t know anything for certain tbh but that’s how I feel it would go … even Chris mason last night was saying he doesn’t have a clue either 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

More the fact he won’t bring unity he will cause mps fingers crossed to cross the floor … he’s also got an ongoing investigation into him .. we don’t know anything for certain tbh but that’s how I feel it would go … even Chris mason last night was saying he doesn’t have a clue either 

Thing is I don't think Sunak will bring unity will he? Maybe he is a bit less marmite than Johnson, but there are plenty who don't like him because of tax rises etc. Don't think there is a unity candidate. Maybe Wallace could have done it, no idea. Surprised more people aren't going for Mordaunt who is kind of the boring middle ground one. They are in  a bit of a mess , their polling is terrible, the economy is fucked and may stay that way for a while, brexit is proving to be a shit idea, and they're kind of running out of ideas and steam.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, steviewevie said:

Thing is I don't think Sunak will bring unity will he? Maybe he is a bit less marmite than Johnson, but there are plenty who don't like him because of tax rises etc. Don't think there is a unity candidate. Maybe Wallace could have done it, no idea. Surprised more people aren't going for Mordaunt who is kind of the boring middle ground one. They are in  a bit of a mess , their polling is terrible, the economy is fucked and may stay that way for a while, brexit is proving to be a shit idea, and they're kind of running out of ideas and steam.

My thoughts on Boris were that he’s divided them already when his cabinet got him kicked out … that won’t be possible to repair . Sunak I see as a bit more steady … maybe some might blame him for the demise of Boris  but I think most had probably got to that opinion anyway … apart from nadine 

[Crazyfool01]

The reality is that there are so many influences and parameters to what might happen that I’m absolutely only guessing … I haven’t got a clue what might be the quickest way to get an election with the least damage to others . Just taking a punt really