Thom Yorke

[russycarps]

I wasn't expecting or demanding anything, again you're putting words into people's mouths to try and force through a point that isn't there. I imagine you've just read something about playing more songs fom The Bends and thought "right, I'll have this c**t". I questioned the motivation and expected result of adding Creep to the setlist and said if (IF) the goal was to placate those who wanted older stuff after a poor reception at Leeds it didn't really work and could have been better achieved another way. Yes I would have liked it but also said that they don't design a set list for people like me, so wouldn't expect it. And no I wasn't really still interested in OK Computer in 2009, sorry if that shatters your stereotype of the fake/undeserving/unworthy ex-Radiohead fans who only like Creep/The Bends/OK Computer. I don't rally care for Creep (although Pablo Honey is a good record) and I bored of OK Computer after a couple of years. Not sure if that makes me a better or worse person, but I've accepted that I'm still going to hell for it.

[Justiceforcedave]

With most bands it's usually a case of you're only cool if you like the first 2/3 albums,where as with Radiohead it's only cool if you don't like them. Crazy beans.

[russycarps]

With most bands it's usually a case of you're only cool if you like the first 2/3 albums,where as with Radiohead it's only cool if you don't like them. Crazy beans.

[mrtourette]

I doubt very much they played Creep to placate the crowd. I imagine the setlists were planned long ago. I cant imagine they gave a shiney shite that the spotty herberts in the Leeds crowd were upset at the perceived lack of older material.

Fact remains at every radiohead gig I've ever been to you get whoppers calling for creep in e very gap, and every time you read comments about every gig since the 90s there are people complaining there wasnt enough bends/ok computer.

I just cannot fathom that mindset. It's not like all their output since OK Computer is crap

So long as radiohead keep releasing albums, their gigs are always going to favour the more recent stuff, and why wouldnt it?

A lot of people of a certain age are stuck in a 1990s timewarp.

Edited January 8, 2013 by mrtourette

[russycarps]

Well the opinion on their output since OK cumputer is subjective. I don't like it which is why I don't enjoy their set lists (string me up from Traitors' gate), but I'm not stupid enough to expect them to continue to play older songs just for people like me. If I'd have said "Radiohead are shit and so are their gigs, they should play loads of stuff from The Bends" then fair enough, but I didn't say that.

The original point that I responded to was that their Leeds set was poorly-received and it was no wonder that they opened with Creep the next day. If you don't think the two were connected then fair enough, but as that was the original point that was what I was discussing (which is again why I said 'if' in my original post); whether that was the case, whether it worked and whether it could have been achieved another way.

If you're generally unhappy with the attitude of people who do expect them to play older stuff then that's understandable, but don't use me as a basis for your rants when I didn't express that opinion.

[mrtourette]

With most bands it's usually a case of you're only cool if you like the first 2/3 albums,where as with Radiohead it's only cool if you don't like them. Crazy beans.

[mrtourette]

fair enough but come on, this is a radiohead thread. You cannot surely expect anything less than unreasonable, rabid ranting??

[Englishdragon]

I doubt very much they played Creep to placate the crowd. I imagine the setlists were planned long ago. I cant imagine they gave a shiney shite that the spotty herberts in the Leeds crowd were upset at the perceived lack of older material.

Fact remains at every radiohead gig I've ever been to you get whoppers calling for creep in e very gap, and every time you read comments about every gig since the 90s there are people complaining there wasnt enough bends/ok computer.

I just cannot fathom that mindset. It's not like all their output since OK Computer is crap

So long as radiohead keep releasing albums, their gigs are always going to favour the more recent stuff, and why wouldnt it?

A lot of people of a certain age are stuck in a 1990s timewarp.

[russycarps]

I bet they did, the Leeds set list was a very different setlist to the reading one and the Crowd at leeds started off small and got a lot smaller.

It was obvious they decided to play more of the "popular" songs for Reading

[Justiceforcedave]

there's a difference between not liking them and not wanting every gig to consist of the majority of those songs that have been played to death in the past!

[FloorFiller]

i absolutely loved their set at Leeds but, as i watched from the mid-way barrier, i saw the crowd get increasingly smaller and smaller throughout the set which was saddening. some of my friends left and it was because they didn't recognize any of the songs - they wanted Creep, they wanted Karma Police, they wanted the singles, so them filling the first half of their set with considerably slower, not as well known to the casual fan songs didn't help. when i saw the Reading setlist i knew immediately that it definitely would've been better received. but f*ck it, to a diehard fan, the Leeds setlist was fantastic. they played songs i never thought they would (A Wolf At The Door, (Nice Dream), Videotape, Morning Bell) and opened with three of my favorites (15 Step, Airbag, Lucky - wow)

if they DO headline Glastonbury this year, i imagine it'll be more leaning towards a greatest hits set - at least, the closest to a greatest hits set you could expect from Radiohead. King Of Limbs has been out for two years now, and they already played the majority of it in their secret set, so whilst i think they'd still play quite a few songs from it, i imagine the set would be less King Of Limbs heavy than their more recent shows

Edited January 8, 2013 by FloorFiller

[russycarps]

i absolutely loved their set at Leeds but, as i watched from the mid-way barrier, i saw the crowd get increasingly smaller and smaller throughout the set which was saddening. some of my friends left and it was because they didn't recognize any of the songs - they wanted Creep, they wanted Karma Police, they wanted the singles, so them filling the first half of their set with considerably slower, not as well known to the casual fan songs didn't help. when i saw the Reading setlist i knew immediately that it definitely would've been better received. but f*ck it, to a diehard fan, the Leeds setlist was fantastic. they played songs i never thought they would (A Wolf At The Door, (Nice Dream), Videotape, Morning Bell) and opened with three of my favorites (15 Step, Airbag, Lucky - wow)

if they DO headline Glastonbury this year, i imagine it'll be more leaning towards a greatest hits set - at least, the closest to a greatest hits set you could expect from Radiohead. King Of Limbs has been out for two years now, and they already played the majority of it in their secret set, so whilst i think they'd still play quite a few songs from it, i imagine the set would be less King Of Limbs heavy than their more recent shows

[FloorFiller]

yeah that looks about right. take out a couple of King Of Limbs songs and replace them with maybe Karma Police or another 'big single' and it'd go down a treat. i'm so glad that Radiohead live never turned into a singles act - the likes of Foo Fighters or RHCP where their setlists are just all of their singles plus a couple of new album tracks. predictable and boring!

[russycarps]

yeah that looks about right. take out a couple of King Of Limbs songs and replace them with maybe Karma Police or another 'big single' and it'd go down a treat. i'm so glad that Radiohead live never turned into a singles act - the likes of Foo Fighters or RHCP where their setlists are just all of their singles plus a couple of new album tracks. predictable and boring!

[mrtourette]

Yeah I can see that if you're a massive Radiohead fan their gigs would be pretty special for that reason.

Although I think you're being a bit hard on the Foos, although they generally play 12-15 of the same songs every show they do mix it up a bit during tours and swap round some rarer/album tracks and covers, and at Reading last year they played several songs from early albums that they haven't done for 10+ years and probably won't again.

And if you'd seen RHCP at Reading in '07 you'd have been begging for hits. It may not be cool but it's better than an hour of bass funk jam w*nkery.

[FloorFiller]

well tbh i would absolutely love them to play Fake Plastic Trees. was devastated when i saw them at Leeds and it'd seemed like they'd retired it from their set. if it'll happen anywhere though, it'll be Glastonbury (i'm saying this now as if they've been confirmed to play - must not get hopes up!)

[FloorFiller]

Yeah I can see that if you're a massive Radiohead fan their gigs would be pretty special for that reason.

Although I think you're being a bit hard on the Foos, although they generally play 12-15 of the same songs every show they do mix it up a bit during tours and swap round some rarer/album tracks and covers, and at Reading last year they played several songs from early albums that they haven't done for 10+ years and probably won't again.

And if you'd seen RHCP at Reading in '07 you'd have been begging for hits. It may not be cool but it's better than an hour of bass funk jam w*nkery.

[mrtourette]

Spot on that.

But people would still come on these forums after the festival moaning because they didnt play creep/fake plastic trees/whatever!

[mrtourette]

they were just two bands who's setlists i remember looking over and thinking 'f*cking hell they look dull / samey'

i was unfortunate enough to see RHCP at Leeds and yeah, that was just an abortion of a set. i don't know what they were thinking. all of the worst songs from their current album, plus an abundance of missing hits. never have i fallen so out of love with a band so quickly

Edited January 8, 2013 by mrtourette

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

The thing about Radiohead is they evolve as a band with every album, their sound changes, their influences change, hell everything about them changes, hence so many people like the old stuff, so many like the new stuff & people like me love it all! But when they tour their latest output, they kinda fit the sets around their "sound of time" when picking out the old songs to play. That's at least how I see it anyway. Either way, they're one of the bast bands I've had the privilege to see live.

Bands like Foo Fighters don't have that problem, because everything they release sounds the same anyway.

[russycarps]

The thing about Radiohead is they evolve as a band with every album, their sound changes, their influences change, hell everything about them changes, hence so many people like the old stuff, so many like the new stuff & people like me love it all! But when they tour their latest output, they kinda fit the sets around their "sound of time" when picking out the old songs to play. That's at least how I see it anyway. Either way, they're one of the bast bands I've had the privilege to see live.

Bands like Foo Fighters don't have that problem, because everything they release sounds the same anyway.

[neilloggie]

what? why on earth would they play a load of songs from an album they released in 1995?? Utter nonsense.

Think yourself lucky you got any songs off that album. It is of no relevance to them now.

[russycarps]

People go to gigs expecting Hits and even more so at a Festival where you are playing and trying to convert the crowd. Bands may move on but the music that made them famous is still there and it's what 90% of the audience want.

[neilloggie]

The thing about Radiohead is they evolve as a band with every album, their sound changes, their influences change, hell everything about them changes, hence so many people like the old stuff, so many like the new stuff & people like me love it all! But when they tour their latest output, they kinda fit the sets around their "sound of time" when picking out the old songs to play. That's at least how I see it anyway. Either way, they're one of the bast bands I've had the privilege to see live.

Bands like Foo Fighters don't have that problem, because everything they release sounds the same anyway.

[neilloggie]

pablo honey got to number 22 in the charts, the bends got to number 4, while every other album got to number 1, By your reasoning doesnt that mean they should play fewer songs off the bends, as the other albums are clearly more popular?