Football 2011-2012

[strummer77]

So anyway .... off to the multi-screen pub tonight, so by spinning my head 360 degrees I might get to follow four matches (and probably miss the interesting bits of all of them ).

So for a bit of pre-xmas fun, hows about a game of prediction?

Aston Villa v Arsenal, 0-3

Man City v Stoke, 1-0

Newcastle v West Brom, 2-0

Everton v Swansea, 1-1

Fulham v Man Utd, 1-3

QPR v Sunderland, 0-2

Wigan v Liverpool, 0-1

[eFestivals]

Yep. Stoke away from home against City. Just think they'll be passed off the park.

Liverpool playing Wigan. I think their result against Chelski was a one off. Liverpool will be fired up in an anti FA rage too. So will Suarez. Wigan are a shocking football team.

I could see one or other happening, but both seems too unlikely. Stoke are generally tight at the back, and Liverpool have a problem scoring goals.

But anyway, we'll know soon enough.

[eFestivals]

Hold on... this thread is about football?

it happens. We won't let this exception become a habit I'm sure.

Easiest game might just be Villa/Arsenal. Villa were terrible at the weekend.

looks like all of us so far are thinking similar - we've all gone for 0-3.

They've got Gabby back for tonight tho, so they might be slightly better.

[thetime]

Aston Villa v Arsenal, 1 - 1 villa due a big game, although they were awful at weekend.

Man City v Stoke, 4-1 will be tight, but I thinkstoke will miss shawcross tonight who is suspended.

Newcastle v West Brom, 3 - 0 newcastle due a big game after a run of tough games.

Everton v Swansea, 0 0 everton struggle to score, and swansea I think have got 8 clean sheets this season in league.

Fulham v Man Utd, 1 - 3 united due a good score at fulham, rooney and nani bang in form.

QPR v Sunderland, 2-0 can see qpr over running sunderland tongiht

Wigan v Liverpool, 0- 4 suarez to get the 20,000 goal.

[thetime]

Is it just me that finds it uncomfortable Liverpool fans and players supporting racism.

[pink_triangle]

Is it just me that finds it uncomfortable Liverpool fans and players supporting racism.

[modey]

wft?? suarez with a t-shirt with himself on as well as all the other racists supporting team mates, and the manager They are starting to look a bit of a laughing stock

Edited December 21, 2011 by modey

[pink_triangle]

Kenny really can't pull off that t shirt!

[modey]

The players wearing them is bad enough, but the manager?... well come on kenny, show a bit of class ffs

[Kowalski]

wft?? suarez with a t-shirt with himself on as well as all the other racists supporting team mates, and the manager They are starting to look a bit of a laughing stock

[strummer77]

Is it just me that finds it uncomfortable Liverpool fans and players supporting racism.

Edited December 21, 2011 by strummer77

[strummer77]

Shall we go back to football now?

Liverpool distinctly average and out of sorts today after starting promisingly. Should still have won though, and would have if Adam hadn't made a hash of the pen.

Positives: Henderson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Johnson.

Negatives: Downing, Adam.

[modey]

This argument about the different meaning for Negro is a load of rubbish, he's lived in Europe for what? 3-4 years? He's not that stupid to know exactly what the word means here and in no way meant it in a friendly manner to evra, he knew what he was doing

[strummer77]

This argument about the different meaning for Negro is a load of rubbish, he's lived in Europe for what? 3-4 years? He's not that stupid to know exactly what the word means here and in no way meant it in a friendly manner to evra, he knew what he was doing

Edited December 22, 2011 by strummer77

[thetime]

My argument exactly modey, Suarez has not had a history of using the word whilst he's been playing Europe for 5 years.

Now were suppused to believe he's misunderstood.

But I find the tshirt the players and managers wearing tonight very offensive and as bad as the racist comment. There's thousands of kids and especially adults who see Daglish as a god and this us no way to behave.

[Kowalski]

Yeah because that is exactly what they are doing. Idiot.

No. What he probably supports is the idea that Luis Suarez was not being racist.

What people are failing to understand is that Suarez did not use the word Negro that we use. He used the word Negro as used in the Spanish language as spoke in South America. Whilst similar in meaning and pronunciation, they aren't the same.

So therefore the word negro we use, is nothing to do with this discussion and therefore Kenny is not condoning it.

[modey]

Exactly...Yeah he's just misunderstood, I suppose the one finger salute to the fulham fans is some sort of cultural difference too ... Poor Liverpool, always the victims

Kenny in that t-shirt has lost any credibility he had

Seriously, could you see any other manager doing that when their player has just been found guilty of a racist act?

In fact I couldn't see any manager doing that in support of a player over anything, very unprofessional

[strummer77]

So this is a word that should now be allowed in Britain?

[strummer77]

On another more humorous note, I keep thinking of that Father Ted episode...

"So you're a racist now Luis?"

My argument exactly modey, Suarez has not had a history of using the word whilst he's been playing Europe for 5 years.

Now were suppused to believe he's misunderstood.

Edited December 22, 2011 by strummer77

[pink_triangle]

Just seen motd, the gap between the 2 Manchester clubs and the rest looks huge at the moment, both absolutely destroyed their opposition last night.

Liverpool still confuse me, from memory they have been the better team in every game but one but in terms of points related to performances they are probably the most under par in the league, when will the goals start going in!

[eFestivals]

Is it just me that finds it uncomfortable Liverpool fans and players supporting racism.

They'd only be supporting racism if they believed he'd been racist. Just because a panel of people have deemed that he was racist doesn't mean he really has been. It wouldn't be the first time that a 'court' of somekind had got things wrong.

(That's not me saying that they have got it wrong btw, I'm just acknowledging that they might have. Until the full details come out it's impossible to know either way, and it might not be even then).

And whether he was or wasn't racist, they'd hardly be likely to ostracise him. The way the club are sticking by him is little different to how Utd stuck by kung-foo Cantona.

And there's possibly something even deeper going on (tho it might just be a natural consequence), of creating a 'siege mentality' around the club. It's not like similar hasn't been beneficial to other clubs in the past.

[eFestivals]

Does this mean Dalglish condones the use of the word "negro" in football?

whether he does or doesn't, there's nothing that is default racist with that word. So there's no reason why he couldn't.

Next up for discussion, the outlawing of blackboards.

[eFestivals]

This argument about the different meaning for Negro is a load of rubbish, he's lived in Europe for what? 3-4 years?

That's only a comment of sense if you know all the nuances around that word's use in Holland, as well as how the Dutch tolerate or not the continuation of use of such words within their country by those from overseas.

Do you, or are you spouting off without knowing what you're spouting off about?

He's not that stupid to know exactly what the word means here and in no way meant it in a friendly manner to evra, he knew what he was doing

The words means 'black' to Suarerz. Are you claiming that you've never used the word 'black'?

And of course you being a mind reader, you know that he meant it as insult, and you know that the FA panel were taking the piss thinking the whole issue over for 6 days. You'd have strung Suarez up within 5 minutes of Evra bleeting on TV.

And Suarez, what a great actor, and he's so smart he'd pre-planned his actions to look conciliatory within seconds of the incident kicking off.

Meanwhile, not a word from you about the racial slur leaving Evra's lips by his own admission, nor your disgust at his teammates not shunning him on the pitch last night.

I do love balanced comments from Utd fans. It's all some are intellectually capable of. Come back when you have even one fact in your hand to back up your intelligent view.

[eFestivals]

That's why this argument isn't rubbish. it's actually fairly damn important. Indeed Evras use of the word Sudaca is far more clear cut than that.

Is that the word Evra used? Then Evra is without doubt a racist.

I wonder why there's not the same vitriol from Modey about that?

[eFestivals]

My argument exactly modey, Suarez has not had a history of using the word whilst he's been playing Europe for 5 years.

you

You know of every word he's uttered in Europe, and how those words have been accepted or not?

And I presume that you also know all the nuances around that word's use in Holland, as well as how the Dutch tolerate or not the continuation of use of such words within their country by those from overseas?

But I find the tshirt the players and managers wearing tonight very offensive and as bad as the racist comment. There's thousands of kids and especially adults who see Daglish as a god and this us no way to behave.

And I find the unequivocal support by the club Utd and their fans of Evra despite his admitted racism as 100% beyond doubt racist and accepting of racism - but there's no word of condemnation from you about that. How strange.

There's thousands of kids and especially adults who see Fergie as a god and this us no way to behave.