Andy Copping Talks acts for 2012

[Furious-Red]

Its rare that a headliner will play 2 hours of all hits. Usually a band might have a new album out or coming out so they will throw a few songs from the new album.

When it comes to QOTSA i think if they got a chance they could pull it off especially if bands like MCR/Offspring/Lostprophets headlined

[the_hedge]

The whole thing I find with qotsa quite funny. On their day (or night as it's more apt), they'd absolutely kill it. Don't judge Josh Homme's ability to perform on TCV, who should have never been that high but were due to the people involved.

People stating "x, y and z" are nowhere near big enough to headline need to realise that it creates a vicious circle for download, since they alienate themselves from bands that are capeable of headlining, who in turn wont get the shot, they'll run out of options by having such a small pool of acts they think are acceptable to headline, or just get continuous repeat bookings.

I enjoyed download when i went, but they need to be realistic. Sonisphere have shown in two years they're willing to take the odd risk (Biffy), willing to do things other metal festivals don't cater for (Booking a comedian in a prominent position), and actually branch away from the metal moniker. That along with their booking power (Multiple locations plus same weekend as t/ oxygen) and I could very well see them beating out all the competition in their field unless download start offering something different.

[neilloggie]

The whole thing I find with qotsa quite funny. On their day (or night as it's more apt), they'd absolutely kill it. Don't judge Josh Homme's ability to perform on TCV, who should have never been that high but were due to the people involved.

People stating "x, y and z" are nowhere near big enough to headline need to realise that it creates a vicious circle for download, since they alienate themselves from bands that are capeable of headlining, who in turn wont get the shot, they'll run out of options by having such a small pool of acts they think are acceptable to headline, or just get continuous repeat bookings.

I enjoyed download when i went, but they need to be realistic. Sonisphere have shown in two years they're willing to take the odd risk (Biffy), willing to do things other metal festivals don't cater for (Booking a comedian in a prominent position), and actually branch away from the metal moniker. That along with their booking power (Multiple locations plus same weekend as t/ oxygen) and I could very well see them beating out all the competition in their field unless download start offering something different.

[theramm]

The difference is that Biffy are at the highest they've ever been popularity & sales wise, it's all about timing. Machine Head are at the highest they've ever been after The Blackening & are about to embark on their first ever arena tour. QOTSA peaked at Songs For The Deaf & due to constant line-up changes, Josh Homme is the only original member! That's just about passable for someone as iconic as GnR but even they get slated for it.

I agree that new bands need to be given a shot at headlining & Andy Copping has said what makes a 'headliner', the combination of record/ticket sales & being a proven draw. Slipknot's first headline slot anywhere was only in 2009 & they'd done a couple of arena tours by that point.

There's no way a band who just play 'Academy' venues will be given a headline slot, hence why all eyes are on how well this Machine Head arena jaunt sells. IMO they're the next band to be given the chance at Download (they'd never headline R&L) seeing as they're a proven hit with the Donington masses & pull a headline sized crowd whenever they play, they just need the ticket numbers behind them to justify that slot.

[luckysalt]

achinehead wont headline Download yet, not big enough, sub main or second stage headliner will be their position next year.

The act to move up is Paramore without doubt, their last festivals they subbed at Reading which in that place would normally be high enough to be considered at Download as headliner, plus sales constant high, huge crossover appeal and two huge arena tours sold out, and not sold out over the period of months and months like Machinehead will be, but sold out straight away. Thats the draw Andy Copping is after, plus they don't play festivals ofton, haven't played Download for years and thats when they were small time, nd they haven't ever played Soni. The thing is though I guess its how their next album does, cus I thought the new single was very poppy and if they're losing their rock sound in favour of pop, he may not risk the booking. Mind you it didn't stop him with Hollywood Undead and promoting the f**k out of them and then the album was shocking and they were cack at Doni and people walked off.

[gazza_20]

achinehead wont headline Download yet, not big enough, sub main or second stage headliner will be their position next year.

The act to move up is Paramore without doubt, their last festivals they subbed at Reading which in that place would normally be high enough to be considered at Download as headliner, plus sales constant high, huge crossover appeal and two huge arena tours sold out, and not sold out over the period of months and months like Machinehead will be, but sold out straight away. Thats the draw Andy Copping is after, plus they don't play festivals ofton, haven't played Download for years and thats when they were small time, nd they haven't ever played Soni. The thing is though I guess its how their next album does, cus I thought the new single was very poppy and if they're losing their rock sound in favour of pop, he may not risk the booking. Mind you it didn't stop him with Hollywood Undead and promoting the f**k out of them and then the album was shocking and they were cack at Doni and people walked off.

[neilloggie]

Will Slash bother with a V.R reincarnation as he has toured constantly for over a year solo and gone down as well if not better, so who knows?

[the_mars_volta]

Velvet Revolver won't be around next year, Slash has already said he'll be touring (solo) next year.

Paramore - Rammstein - Van Halen

Limp Bizkit - Machine Head - Whitesnake

Evanescence - BMTH - Slash

[theramm]

I was only citing Machine Head as they were one of the handful of bands that Mr Copping listed as future mainstage headliners (that hadn't headlined before), the list IIRC was MH, Paramore, Pendulum, BFMV, A7X & ADTR (although he said ADTR were a couple of years away).

Paramore look good on paper but I'm unsure how they'd fare with the Download crowd, especially as it's a much older general demographic that at R&L? I've only ever seen Paramore the once, at Leeds last year. They were OK but for me didn't have the 'wow' factor I was expecting. I've read that the audience at their own shows is considerably younger, is this fitting with the average 'Downloader'?

[luckysalt]

What you said except I reallu enjoyed them this year at Download but each to their own I guess.

People have been saying for ages Paramore, and if he gets Rammstein and Van Halen, the 3rd won't cost as much.

Paramore - Rammstein - Van Halen

? - Machine Head - Velvet Revolver

[gazza_20]

Hey guys, my bad on the Velvet Revolver lol, totally forgot he was continuing his own stuff next year.

Chase and Status below is a very good thought. Original booking too and not the just recycled Limp Bizkit.

You agree with the rest? Evanescence are bound to make an appearance

[theramm]

I reckon Limp Bizkit will be one of the 2nd stage headliners, probs against VH or whoever the 'classic' headliner is. Chase & Status will headline 3rd.

[gazza_20]

I reckon Limp Bizkit will be one of the 2nd stage headliners, probs against VH or whoever the 'classic' headliner is. Chase & Status will headline 3rd.

[the_mars_volta]

^ all very possible. I put Limp Bizkit under Paramore too as I couldn't think which band would play directly before them.

Although if Evanescence were clashing with Rammstein on the 2nd stage I think I'd cry lol. How about Journey to headline 2nd stage against Rammstein (or Machine Head )?

[PastCaring]

Hey guys, my bad on the Velvet Revolver lol, totally forgot he was continuing his own stuff next year.

Chase and Status below is a very good thought. Original booking too and not the just recycled Limp Bizkit.

You agree with the rest? Evanescence are bound to make an appearance

[jump]

Oh dear, why this obsession with Chase & Status? That may be an original booking for Download but, seeing as they're playing every other festival this year, it's hardly original as festivals go

Personally, we're a bit too old for school discos ........ But how about Prodigy? - we missed them when they played the other year ...

[gazza_20]

Oh dear, why this obsession with Chase & Status? That may be an original booking for Download but, seeing as they're playing every other festival this year, it's hardly original as festivals go

Personally, we're a bit too old for school discos ........ But how about Prodigy? - we missed them when they played the other year ...

[gazza_20]

^ all very possible. I put Limp Bizkit under Paramore too as I couldn't think which band would play directly before them.

Although if Evanescence were clashing with Rammstein on the 2nd stage I think I'd cry lol. How about Journey to headline 2nd stage against Rammstein (or Machine Head )?

[the_mars_volta]

Pretty sure 30 Seconds To Mars won't be touring next year. Plus they have already had a decent slot at Download for their latest album.

How about Placebo underneath Paramore? They will be back next year and have never played Download.

[mrtourette]

The actor from 30STM has said that they'll be taking a long break after playing R&L, unfotunately he couldn't arrange it so the hiatus started before R&L.

[gazza_20]

Pretty sure 30 Seconds To Mars won't be touring next year. Plus they have already had a decent slot at Download for their latest album.

How about Placebo underneath Paramore? They will be back next year and have never played Download.

[Spiky Mike]

How about Foos or Chilis?

[Gossard]

I can not believe people actually want Paramore or Nickleback to headline a festival like Download, or 30STM. 2012 is supposed to be the biggest Download so far and you want those crappy bands. I've seen them all, Paramore and 30STM at Rock Werchter and Nickleback at Pinkpop and all played midday and all were crap...never headliner for Download, NEVER....in my opinion.

Andy has said next year(10 year anniversary) will be big so i'm expecting names like Rammstein, Pearl Jam, Tool, Van Halen, Kiss, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Metallica, Pink Floyd or The Rolling Stones...the last two in my dreams maybe My guess is Iron Maiden - Metallica - Kiss .....but my hope is Pink Floyd - Pearl Jam - Kiss, with Soundgarden playing same day as Pearl Jam.

Edited July 31, 2011 by Gossard

[gazza_20]

Why is next year the 10 year anniversary though? the 1st one called download was 2003

[rivalschools.price]

Why is next year the 10 year anniversary though? the 1st one called download was 2003