Selfish Ungrateful People

[RABun]

If he's really stuck here's a link for some paid charity work, they will take almost anyone, work across the country and having charity work in a cv does look nice...

http://www.wesser.co.uk/

[rachbon]

People cant just sit at home and expect to be paid for it.

[RABun]

mcdonalds?

[rachbon]

He applied but didnt get the gig!

[jump]

A lot of the office jnr roles are being filled with people who have already done admin but lost their job, it's a buyers market at the moment so even if it's a entry level role you still need experience.

Best thing to do imo is to try the paid charity sector as they will take anyone or register at recruitment agencies as a temp.

[the real new messiah]

why not? people have paid tax and NI so are entitled to claim benefits if they end up being unemployed. it's their own money they're being paid.

[RABun]

Fair enough if you have been working and contributing, What about the ones who have never paid a single pennie due to them never having a job?

[rabid]

He applied but didnt get the gig!

[Katster]

can you give us some numbers of people who have never worked?

[sifi]

Does that figure include the Queen?

[eFestivals]

Fair enough if you have been working and contributing, What about the ones who have never paid a single pennie due to them never having a job?

It doesn't matter that some claim before they pay - they'll pay later at the point they work. The whole system is designed to work across the average, it's not designed as a pay-before-you-collect system.

And while there's of course some people (a small number, but they exist all the same) who have never worked over many years or perhaps decades, there's never been full employment in that time, so if they were to get a job it simply result in someone who has been able to work then getting displaced - so again showing how it averages.

The simple fact is that NOTHING can change about any of this without there first being full employment - penalising those people without a job does not create them a job. If they go and get a job that makes someone else unemployed, so the number of unemployed doesn't change, it only changes by more jobs existing.

[RABun]

An apprenticeship maybe?

[eFestivals]

Yep we are currently looking into that - there are some really great apprenticeships out there. Competition is fierce as you can imagine.

they'd be a hell of a lot more if the Thatcher govt of the early 80s hadn't abolished the apprenticeship scheme that existed back then - ever since they did, the opportunities for kids starting work have been basically f**ked.

All of the alternatives they've introduced since have cost a damned sight more for less effect, as well as helping create that small section of society that has never worked and quite possibly never will.

As with so much that Thatcher did, she knew the price of everything but the value of nothing - it's something which has cost this country over 30 years no less than the bank crisis has.

[Katster]

It doesn't matter that some claim before they pay - they'll pay later at the point they work. The whole system is designed to work across the average, it's not designed as a pay-before-you-collect system.

And while there's of course some people (a small number, but they exist all the same) who have never worked over many years or perhaps decades, there's never been full employment in that time, so if they were to get a job it simply result in someone who has been able to work then getting displaced - so again showing how it averages.

The simple fact is that NOTHING can change about any of this without there first being full employment - penalising those people without a job does not create them a job. If they go and get a job that makes someone else unemployed, so the number of unemployed doesn't change, it only changes by more jobs existing.

[jump]

How can that be true? As a new business opens up it didn't previously have any employees....new jobs are created.

Edited January 13, 2011 by jump

[swede]

My best mate was out of work for 18 months, in that time he lost his house and had to file for bankruptcy. He's a qualified plasterer, bricklayer and engineer and even he couldnt find work for that long with a good set of skills. He's had to re-train as a HGV driver but only due to his brother-in-law getting him the job as a favour when a position in his company opened up a few months ago, the job market is an absolute nightmare at the moment.

[worm]

You have to take into account more jobs are being made redundant than being created at the moment.

[eFestivals]

How can that be true? As a new business opens up it didn't previously have any employees....new jobs are created.

New jobs are being created all the time, just as old jobs are being lost all the time. At no point in the last 30 years (actually, just under: about 28 years) has there been anywhere near enough jobs to go around (the difference has been constantly over 2M) ... which means a constant 2M unemployed people, even if the specific individuals who are unemployed is constantly changing (which it mostly has been).

You cannot fit 3M unemployed into 1M jobs. That 2M unemployed can only disappear if an *extra* 2M jobs are created; cutting benefits or forcing people to do 'voluntary' work can never alter that fact.

[worm]

New jobs are being created all the time, just as old jobs are being lost all the time. At no point in the last 30 years (actually, just under: about 28 years) has there been anywhere near enough jobs to go around (the difference has been constantly over 2M) ... which means a constant 2M unemployed people, even if the specific individuals who are unemployed is constantly changing (which it mostly has been).

You cannot fit 3M unemployed into 1M jobs. That 2M unemployed can only disappear if an *extra* 2M jobs are created; cutting benefits or forcing people to do 'voluntary' work can never alter that fact.

[gemstarrr]

Students on the scheme starting in 2012 will pay less back per month than the scheme I am currently on. Their threshold is £7,000 higher than mine.

A better paid job? Even if you achieve the average graduate salary of £25k, you'll only be paying back £270 a year, whereas I'll be paying £900.

Stop complaining.

[eFestivals]

Come on though Neil. Not all jobs are equal. There are different skill sets being desired economically in certain periods and others being made redundant. Plus you have a shifting population and migration to consider. Long term careers are something of the past. Short term unemployment is something of an inevitability when you consider globalisation and a highly mobile working class.

None of that is of relevance to the fact that 3M unemployed people can never fit into 1M jobs.

You can only make 3M people fit into 3M jobs - which requires the creation of 2M extra jobs than currently exist.

[the real new messiah]

can you give us some numbers of people who have never worked?

[worm]

None of that is of relevance to the fact that 3M unemployed people can never fit into 1M jobs.

You can only make 3M people fit into 3M jobs - which requires the creation of 2M extra jobs than currently exist.

[sifi]

I think a lot of people on here live in a little bubble, Take a walk down to the dss on signing on day it's the same faces week after week year after year.

[LusciousLucy]

I'm starting 2011 in a far better state of mind than a year ago, I am back to being unemployed again though BUT I am taking up my right as a British Citizen to claim JSA. I was bloody stupid in not doing it once throughout last year despite for probably around half of the year, pro rata to what temp work I did do/manage to get, worked on average way less than 16 hours per week. Heyho, I ain't making that mistake again. I had a short but very positive experience with a 6 week temporary contract I was put forward for over Christmas which really helped with beginning to feel better inside about approaching the big task of finding a good job now.

This time around, I have signed on at a different job centre where (shock horror) the staff are really nice and quite supportive. I have done more research this time and have approached the system with confidence knowing what I need and what I want and what I am entitled to. I am certainly NOT selfish or ungrateful in anyway. Quite the opposite in fact.

I put myself into the silly situation I have been in workwise throughout 2010 but I am facing 2011 with a lot more confidence and reawakened drive to succeed in finding not just any old job but a specific career. I am actually putting my once again enforced unemployment to good use by spending nearly every waking moment online (when not faffing on forums and FB to give myself a break) researching, sending letters to prospective employers and preparing a blog to help me get into my chosen career path.

My current job is finding a job! I could be doing some temp work for extra cash but I need every hour spare for this task. The field I want to get into really needs me to be interacting with the trade and so I have blagged my way into getting invited to upcoming trade events in order to network and I hope that by doing this, it could help reduce the amount of cold call letter writing I have to do which can take some time and is a hefty task.

I visit a lady twice a month to help with career guidance and she has set me up with MyWorkSearch.co.uk which has been created in reaction to the fact that the Jobcentre cannot offer a great deal of help jobsearchwise for professionals made recently unemployed. The Jobcentre is self admittedly geared towards helping the lower end of the job market and the databases are not set up for project managers, accountants, IT specialists etc.

When I signed on for the first time in over a year and a half last Friday, I was nicely surprised/reassured in some ways at just how many people looked to be in a similar background but lack of work situation. Educated, a bit f**ked over by the lack of work/redundancy but rightfully claiming money whilst the daily job of jobhunting occurs. You cannot put every person signing on for JSA into the same category as 'career jobless', the people who the media like to bemoan.

It is a sad state of affairs that the UK has allowed this system to descend into the way it has and I am not going to get into that conversation but I can and will say that even after having a positively miserable 2010 (lack of confidence and belief in myself), I am aware that there are actually f**kloads of jobs out there, thousands upon thousands. It's just a question of finding the right jobpages, knuckling under with the somewhat thankless task of jobhunting but also thinking laterally with the approach. The job market, despite what we all think is getting stronger now companies have come through the rigmaroles of the recession. Permanent jobs in the private sector are beginning to come back instead of the reliance on temps.

The business and commerce world is not stupid and knows that the hundreds of thousands of people affected by the job cuts have transferable skills and a lot of people will find work again soon. Quite a few of those in the public sector soon to be redundant will be people close to retiring age too and so 'natural wastage' will come into play.