X Factor 2010

[bunique]

Blimey you two! I thought I was sad for remembering a Take That lyric!

[pink_triangle]

just hearing the recorded version just now. it really is awful. vocals are shocking and instrumentation is typical xfactor gash.

oh god, i think that was a key change!

[ampersand]

there's been christmas songs since the darkness. just they don't get enough recognition to become 'classics'. coldplay have done one this year which i imagine will soon be one if radio 1 keep pushing it.

[Ed209]

Not too clued up on record contracts that much... How much of a say does Biffy actually have. I've friends on facebook slagging biffy off for selling out. Is that fair? Was under the impression that if it's in their contract that Sony or whoever have control of the rights then there's nothing Biffy could have done about it....

[ampersand]

Not too clued up on record contracts that much... How much of a say does Biffy actually have. I've friends on facebook slagging biffy off for selling out. Is that fair? Was under the impression that if it's in their contract that Sony or whoever have control of the rights then there's nothing Biffy could have done about it....

[pink_triangle]

Not too clued up on record contracts that much... How much of a say does Biffy actually have. I've friends on facebook slagging biffy off for selling out. Is that fair? Was under the impression that if it's in their contract that Sony or whoever have control of the rights then there's nothing Biffy could have done about it....

[llcoolphil]

I hate this concept about bands selling out. The way the music climate is at present, this is probably there only chance to write a number 1 single, definitely to write a christmas number 1. They would be mad to turn down the exposure. I think they deserve to be running all the way to the bank, I have seen them play in small clubs to 20 people, they have defintely put the slog in. I dont see anything wrong with them wanting the financial reward. People say they are not poor, however they are financially far less well off than footballers who sell their souls to nike and adidas. Anyone who stops liking their music because they let one of their songs on x factor is a bit sad

[Ed209]

I hate this concept about bands selling out. The way the music climate is at present, this is probably there only chance to write a number 1 single, definitely to write a christmas number 1. They would be mad to turn down the exposure. I think they deserve to be running all the way to the bank, I have seen them play in small clubs to 20 people, they have defintely put the slog in. I dont see anything wrong with them wanting the financial reward. People say they are not poor, however they are financially far less well off than footballers who sell their souls to nike and adidas. Anyone who stops liking their music because they let one of their songs on x factor is a bit sad

[ampersand]

Yeah I agree. I don't have a problem with bands selling out in this kind of way. They'll still keep their musical and artistic integrity if they continue to write music that is true to themselves. I have more of a problem with bands that reduce their own output to lowest denominator spluge (e.g. KoL).

It was more a case of wondering how record contracts work and if Biffy actually had any say in this or not...?

Edited December 13, 2010 by ampersand

[thetime]

well if people didnt download biffy clyro material illegally they wouldnt need to sell out.

[swede]

well if people didnt download biffy clyro material illegally they wouldnt need to sell out.

[thetime]

Get off your f**king high horse, they havent sold out, they're just making a bit of extra money so good on them.

[ampersand]

Isn't that selling out?

[pink_triangle]

I would argue that biffy clyro have been releasing songs aimed at the mainstream since the start such as 57 and justboy. They may not have got them commerical success but they are no less commerecial sounding than recent releases. So I am not sure they can really be accused of selling out as they have always had a mix of mainstream and heavier more experimental songs.

[omskus]

that's the wiki definition. not strictly, but you'd have a hard time arguing against them selling out.

[ampersand]

I think we should have a quick game - we have to name established artists who have not sold out - you'll really struggle.

[rexclark]

99% will have. probably even 100%.

but theres selling out and then there's selling out. think biffy score highly with this one.

not that i really care.

[ampersand]

The only thing I would say and have already pointed out, with them doing this they are giving their song away. To the general public it won't be a Biffy song anymore, it'll be a Matt Cardle song.

[swede]

Apparantly a quote from Simon Neil earlier this year :

Frontman Simon Neil said: "It's always just been Saturday night entertainment - The X Factor is for the kind of people who buy f**king Robbie Williams calendars."

He added: "I don't think it's a threat to 'real' music at all. It's just entertainment. It's just what The A-Team was in 1986. And Simon Cowell isn't the devil, he's just someone who wants to make shitloads of money, and fair play to him."

To be fair, my sentiments exactly.

[Ed209]

Found this on the net

Even though the original songwriter may own the intellectual rights to a song, he or she may not be in a position to control all of the possible uses of that song. Songwriters and musicians under contract to a studio may have to relinquish certain rights to a song as part of their agreement. In that case, the studio itself may assume certain rights to a song, particularly when it comes to derivative works such as sampling, covers by other artists and compilation albums. Songs created by artists while under contract to a studio may be considered "work product," in the same sense that an engineer working for NASA or General Electric could not claim a patent for an invention created on company time.

[swede]

This is how I feel as well. I don't think anyone can doubt they've sold out, in quite a large way. But personally I couldn't give a shit. If they rate money over integrity then fair play to them.

The only thing I would say and have already pointed out, with them doing this they are giving their song away. To the general public it won't be a Biffy song anymore, it'll be a Matt Cardle song. I'd go as far as saying some idiots will believe that Biffy's version is a cover! It's happened before. If they can take that then fair enough.

[rachbon]

just hearing the recorded version just now. it really is awful. vocals are shocking and instrumentation is typical xfactor gash.

oh god, i think that was a key change!

[swede]

there's always a key change!

this is the problem. like people thinking hallelujah is an alexandra burke song.

[rachbon]

I know, ripping off Jeff Buckley

[Elbear]

My mates raging about Biffy becoming all mainstream and that, Although their latest stuff has been top 40 material anyway.