Football 2010-2011

[The Nal]

Kids just want to play with a football. Yes they have a competitive streak, but that streak can be satisfied by a number of 'games' that aren't 11 a side football on an eleven a side pitch with a size 5 football.

Take this example of a training session for 8-11 year olds

[eFestivals]

Nothing wrong with that. Some kids can handle that, some cant/don’t want to, so they should play on another team/club.

Theres that level of depth in everything as a kid though isn’t there? If you want to be part of it. I remember when I used to swim and at about 10 years of age it was fairly scientific. They used to go on about diets etc!! All I wanted to eat was packs of Mega Meanies and Wham Bars.

i get what you're saying, but i think that's a little simplistic. Most kids most of the time want to be playing with their mates more than they want to be playing football.

I'm sure there's a balance to be had somewhere for any kid, but I'm not sure that there's a universal method that can be applied across all kids without it also having a negative impact on the interest some of those kids have in football - which of course is the very opposite of what the fa need to be achieving.

[Tugger2k]

All I wanted to eat was packs of Mega Meanies and Wham Bars.

[Tugger2k]

There's lots of ways to play, and improve technique.25 years ago my coach only asked us to have 1 pair of black trainers we didn't mind destroying. He knew what each of our strong feet were, and simply painted our weak trainer white. Wed play 5 a side, 8 a side and at these blow of a whistle wed have to play with either black boot or white. it stayed competitive, but we grew better technically. after the 1st 3 months we noticed that we retained the ball better than other teams, had more options, and couldn't wait to learn more.

simple and effective. and it worked.

[worm]

PMSL - that's exactly what you've done in the last day. And not me.

Edited February 10, 2011 by worm

[ampersand]

One of TC's early tricks, before the many aids that are around now, was to train the youths with a tennis ball. Similar idea.

[Steve P]

agreed. though in my youth, we always focussed too much on the big game at the end of training. very few of us actually cared about the 'training' bit at the start with technique. which i wish i had with hindsight. i think a lot of us just saw it as a chore. though that's probably more down to the 'coaches' we had.

[pink_triangle]

My opinion of savage, he was a player of championship ability who became a very good premiership player due to hard work and an ability to learn. If he can take these skills into his new job and surround himself with the right people, he could do the job as good as anyone else. My concerns would be that despite being a nice guy, he does not come across inspirational. Also I suspect he is a bit of a yes man and someone who avoids confrontation.

[pink_triangle]

Of course I meant southgate not savage!

[eFestivals]

You cited a piece of research that completely contradicted you yesterday and today you've said that the fact that there's hundreds upon thousands of players beneath a certain player and hardly any above him is evidence that he is not very elite.

Keep laughing f**ktard.

i am - laughing at just how poor your reading skills are. constantly. You prove it every time you post the sort of bollocks above which I didn't say.

You're a fraud. All you have is lies.

It's no wonder that you're mindnumbingly stupid about just about everything you say.

[The Nal]

Ha. Nothing changed then

Edited February 11, 2011 by The Nal

[eFestivals]

Totally agree. Had this when I was learning piano as a kid. I wasn't interested in the classical stuff I was being asked to play and couldn't see how i was going to progress into the things i wanted to play. When I look back now I can see how important it is to learn theory and really wish i'd stuck at it. The thing is if my teacher had explained a bit more about why we were learning particular bit, so shown how it's linked to more modern stuff i know i'd have put in more effort.

I'd say you're completely wrong - and I suspect you'll realise that when your own kid grows up some more.

You're able to consider it all now and come out with that very rational idea - from you as an adult - that it would have been worth sticking with cos you know you'd have got more out of it than you did. I feel identically about my own piano lessons as a kid, where all the same happened as with you.

But if you think back to you as that kid - or me, anyway - there was no amount of explanations by the teacher that would have made much of a difference to me as that kid. I wanted to play 'modern' tunes rather than what I was told to play, and I wanted to be able to play them instantly - it was the training itself which turned me off, because I just wanted to play (even tho I couldn't).

[eFestivals]

My opinion of savage, he was a player of championship ability who became a very good premiership player due to hard work and an ability to learn. If he can take these skills into his new job and surround himself with the right people, he could do the job as good as anyone else. My concerns would be that despite being a nice guy, he does not come across inspirational. Also I suspect he is a bit of a yes man and someone who avoids confrontation.

Of course I meant southgate not savage!

so what you're saying is that he doesn't much match the 'elite' tag he has for his new job, but that's no comment on how he might do that job.

What I said!

Welcome to the world of the 'retards'.

Edited February 11, 2011 by eFestivals

[ampersand]

I'd say you're completely wrong - and I suspect you'll realise that when your own kid grows up some more.

You're able to consider it all now and come out with that very rational idea - from you as an adult - that it would have been worth sticking with cos you know you'd have got more out of it than you did. I feel identically about my own piano lessons as a kid, where all the same happened as with you.

But if you think back to you as that kid - or me, anyway - there was no amount of explanations by the teacher that would have made much of a difference to me as that kid. I wanted to play 'modern' tunes rather than what I was told to play, and I wanted to be able to play them instantly - it was the training itself which turned me off, because I just wanted to play (even tho I couldn't).

[Benj]

And Neil's final hopes slowly fade away-

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/228390/Arabs-close-in-on-Manchester-United

[eFestivals]

And Neil's final hopes slowly fade away-

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/228390/Arabs-close-in-on-Manchester-United

this story has been going around and around, and is totally denied by the Qatari's. I think it's more likely to be paper filler than true - Liverpool's sale exposed the myth of such stupid prices.

[the_hedge]

This is true.

Great interview with Xavi here

[Benj]

this story has been going around and around, and is totally denied by the Qatari's. I think it's more likely to be paper filler than true - Liverpool's sale exposed the myth of such stupid prices.

[eFestivals]

Scary prospect for you though, big profits and big backers.

eh? For me? WTF are you on about?

And the profits are tiny if that's the selling price. It's an extremely shit investment.

Would be 30 titles before not too long all all.

Clubs go up in success, clubs fall down again. It'll happen with Utd sooner or later, even tho the rules are being bent over the years (starting with the formation of the Prem) which strongly favour clubs which are having current success.

[Benj]

eh? For me? WTF are you on about?

And the profits are tiny if that's the selling price. It's an extremely shit investment.

Clubs go up in success, clubs fall down again. It'll happen with Utd sooner or later, even tho the rules are being bent over the years (starting with the formation of the Prem) which strongly favour clubs which are having current success.

[TheGayTent]

so what you're saying is that he doesn't much match the 'elite' tag he has for his new job, but that's no comment on how he might do that job.

What I said!

Welcome to the world of the 'retards'.

[The Nal]

Utd have been at the top for 20 years, quite a long spell that, I can not see that changing anytime soon, esp if they have A LOT of money to spend over any Ferguson retirement crossover issues

*someone please say if they know the actual number

[Benj]

Not getting into it here, theres another thread for that, but nobody knows. Apparently this 1.6 Billion buyout from Qatar is gathering pace.

[ampersand]

the finances thread. take it there please

[eFestivals]

You've been praying for their financial demise on here for ages, citing all sorts of events as impending doom, if this happens (as you say probably unlikely), all that hope would be gone

I haven't been 'praying for it', I've simply been saying it's coming - and even many Utd fans can see that it's far from an unlikely possibility.

I don't think they'd be doing it for the profits, that's the scary part, although I don't think it would be that bad an investment (buying Facebook and Twitter, now theyre bad investments), don't they make about 60 million profit* (pre debt payment and player movement) a year, if they stay at that, the investment would be cleared in 26 years, thats not too bad.

a good investment would see at least an 8% return* on that investment each year - something a deal at the mentioned prices is waaaaaay short of.

(* that's at the low end of things - I used to work for a blue chip that sold any of it's businesses that returned less than 15%)

Utd have been at the top for 20 years, quite a long spell that, I can not see that changing anytime soon, esp if they have A LOT of money to spend over any Ferguson retirement crossover issues

Liverpool were at the top for about the same time. Things fell apart when the managerial continuity was broken - something that will happen at Utd when Fergie leaves (the continuity being broken I mean).

Yep, the money available proportionally to the top clubs nowadays compared to the clubs below them gives them an advantage over how things were in the past, but if we take one of the views people have on Rafa at Liverpool - where he's considered to have spent hugely (tho the net spend wasn't as great as some like to believe) - then money doesn't always save a club, and things can fall apart very quickly. Just look at Chelsea this year for example (I don't really expect them to drop out of the top 4, but I doubt many thought they'd fall as badly as they have this year).