International Politics

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, lazyred said:

I agree but Isreal stopping unilaterally right now won't achieve anything. Iran needs to be weakened somehow, hopefully without starting WW3.

Iran already looks weak... Israel seems to want to keep provoking them so they can do a proper attack.

[mattiloy]

Israel now attacking UN peacekeepers with tanks. Two injured.

[Crazyfool01]

4 hours ago, mattiloy said:

Israel now attacking UN peacekeepers with tanks. Two injured.

just wonder if the UK / US have any red lines .... School bombing today also .... 😞 

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

just wonder if the UK / US have any red lines .... School bombing today also .... 😞 

well if Israel go to war with UN we might have to pick a side.

[steviewevie]

and not sure that school was being used as a school...not sure any kids are at school in Gaza at the moment...used as a shelter or Hamas base depending on who you want to believe.

[mattiloy]

12 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

just wonder if the UK / US have any red lines .... School bombing today also .... 😞 

 

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

well if Israel go to war with UN we might have to pick a side.

Doubt it. Netanyahu could bum Starmer and Biden’s wives and they’d be all ’Israel does have that right’

 

Its bizarre the outsized power that this little genocidal country has. Its made a complete mockery of any supposed international ’rules based order’. Why would any country not just do whatever they wanted from this point. Why should China not flatten Taiwan and turn it into a big casino?

[Crazyfool01]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

and not sure that school was being used as a school...not sure any kids are at school in Gaza at the moment...used as a shelter or Hamas base depending on who you want to believe.

everything is a Hamas base at this point .... when it clearly isnt in many circumstances 

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

Doubt it. Netanyahu could bum Starmer and Biden’s wives and they’d be all ’Israel does have that right’

 

Its bizarre the outsized power that this little genocidal country has. Its made a complete mockery of any supposed international ’rules based order’. Why would any country not just do whatever they wanted from this point. Why should China not flatten Taiwan and turn it into a big casino?

I guess there's some history and stuff.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

everything is a Hamas base at this point .... when it clearly isnt in many circumstances 

there may be some Hamas nearby, or in the vicinity...so they drop a bomb on it anyway. Everything else is collateral.

[Crazyfool01]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

there may be some Hamas nearby, or in the vicinity...so they drop a bomb on it anyway. Everything else is collateral.

and / or the IDF just lie ... delete as appropriate 

[mattiloy]

20 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I guess there's some history and stuff.

 

More or less the same history as roma travellers. Why did they never get their own nation in punjab with which they could terrorise their neighbours as revenge for something that happened a few millenia ago.

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

More or less the same history as roma travellers. Why did they never get their own nation in punjab with which they could terrorise their neighbours as revenge for something that happened a few millenia ago.

yeah, not fair.

[steviewevie]

Anyway...I reckon Trump and Netanyahu have done a deal and there will be more progress towards a ceasefire once Trump gets in but Israel won't have to worry about a Palestinian state or getting out of West Bank etc.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, mattiloy said:

 

Doubt it. Netanyahu could bum Starmer and Biden’s wives and they’d be all ’Israel does have that right’

 

Its bizarre the outsized power that this little genocidal country has. Its made a complete mockery of any supposed international ’rules based order’. Why would any country not just do whatever they wanted from this point. Why should China not flatten Taiwan and turn it into a big casino?

China has  already got Macau as that big casino 😛

 

[steviewevie]

you can drop bombs on schools and hospitals full of civilians...but if you fire at UN peacekeepers then we have an issue.

[steviewevie]

So...what were the Biden red lines again?

 

[mattiloy]

On 10/11/2024 at 6:21 PM, steviewevie said:

you can drop bombs on schools and hospitals full of civilians...but if you fire at UN peacekeepers then we have an issue.

*except if your name is Israel.

 

All of this is the drop that makes everyone realise truly the west is no better than China or Russia. Its about power and nothing else. International law/human rights is a load of bollocks - just another layer of coercion, as evidently it only applies to the enemies of the USA. The final death knoll for america as world policeman. It is the greatest PR victory that russia and china could ever hope for.

Edited October 13, 2024 by mattiloy

[Crazyfool01]

Power Hungry men what a mess 😞 Have there been any responses from Biden / Starmer ? I wonder just how they can talk suggest this is ok 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Power Hungry men what a mess 😞 Have there been any responses from Biden / Starmer ? I wonder just how they can talk suggest this is ok 

They're all saying don't do it...but words don't mean f**k all.

 

US have sent some new anti missile things to Israel, thinking is that is part of deal to persuade Israel not to retaliate against Iran by targeting nuclear sites or oil fields.

[Crazyfool01]

26 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

They're all saying don't do it...but words don't mean f**k all.

 

US have sent some new anti missile things to Israel, thinking is that is part of deal to persuade Israel not to retaliate against Iran by targeting nuclear sites or oil fields.

Depressing isn’t it … surprised that hasn’t happened yet mind you … 

[steviewevie]

16 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Depressing isn’t it … surprised that hasn’t happened yet mind you … 

I expect Israel would like to, but US really don't, especially with an election next month.

[doogie]

What exactly have these UN peacekeepers been doing for the past 12 months while Hezbollah were firing hundreds of rockets a day at Israeli towns? Waste of space the lot of them.

[steviewevie]

7 hours ago, doogie said:

What exactly have these UN peacekeepers been doing for the past 12 months while Hezbollah were firing hundreds of rockets a day at Israeli towns? Waste of space the lot of them.

yeah, was wondering that. Is there already some sort of buffer zone and Hezbollah were firing rockets from the Lebanon side or something?

[steviewevie]

or maybe more likely they don't want a fight with Hezbollah but just want to try and contain things...obviously not really working. 

[mattiloy]

8 hours ago, doogie said:

What exactly have these UN peacekeepers been doing for the past 12 months while Hezbollah were firing hundreds of rockets a day at Israeli towns? Waste of space the lot of them.

Are you an idiot? You want peacekeepers to walk around the lebanese hills trying to find mobile rocket launchers that pop up intermittently and fire into israel? And in any case mainly at military targets and deserted border towns.

 

If i wanted to keep the peace in the middle East, i’d probably start by attacking the country doing the genocide.