UK Politics

[steviewevie]

good luck with that...

[Neil]

56 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

good luck with that...

as long as there's the resources to get the work done, just getting that work done will create growth. 🙂 

[Neil]

the obvious answer is to ignore the moaning minnies , who aren't all on the right!

[Guest]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

good luck with that...

... and how is she going to do that. All talk and no substance. If they keep making promises like this and then not being able to deliver (which they probably won't), they will only be in for 5 years.

[Neil]

11 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

... and how is she going to do that. All talk and no substance. If they keep making promises like this and then not being able to deliver (which they probably won't), they will only be in for 5 years.

i don't think its going to be hard to do better.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Neil said:

i don't think its going to be hard to do better.

Better than the Tories - yes, but we should expect better from Labour.

[steviewevie]

Who knows what will happen when they get into power...but at moment they seem to be hoping that growth is the answer which will enable them to turn on the spending taps..but where this growth will come from is the problem. Rejoining the EU might help.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Who knows what will happen when they get into power...but at moment they seem to be hoping that growth is the answer which will enable them to turn on the spending taps..but where this growth will come from is the problem. Rejoining the EU might help.

How exactly would we rejoin the EU in the next few years?

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

How exactly would we rejoin the EU in the next few years?

Not saying it will happen, just that it would probably help grow the economy if we did. I wouldn't be surprised if we were effectively back in the customs union in a couple of years though.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Not saying it will happen, just that it would probably help grow the economy if we did. I wouldn't be surprised if we were effectively back in the customs union in a couple of years though.

Yeah it would help but the EU gave given no indication that they would let it happen anytime soon, so because of that and other reasons Labour won't put rejoin in their next manifesto. I'm sure in an ideal world Starmer would take us back in, in the next Parliament.

Edited March 17, 2024 by Ozanne

[kaosmark2]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Who knows what will happen when they get into power...but at moment they seem to be hoping that growth is the answer which will enable them to turn on the spending taps..but where this growth will come from is the problem. Rejoining the EU might help.

Some of the growth will just naturally come from there being trust in there being a stable government for the next 10 years. Add in that the country will no longer be losing as much money to corruption, and there will just be some natural, inherent growth that's been choked out by the Tories.

Other growth will be triggered just by spending on the basics. If you get more money in the pockets of working classes, they instantly spend it because it's actually really hard emotionally to save when you've been struggling. Whether this is a big night out, on a new fridge when the old one is almost but not quite dead, a nice outfit, or whatever, if money gets into the pockets of people who've been skint and tight, it'll get spent and chain into more growth.

I think after Labour's first budget, regardless of what's in it, there'll be a starting point for some growth. My fear is largely that they don't utilise it enough to turn the spending taps on and trigger more.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, kaosmark2 said:

Some of the growth will just naturally come from there being trust in there being a stable government for the next 10 years. Add in that the country will no longer be losing as much money to corruption, and there will just be some natural, inherent growth that's been choked out by the Tories.

Other growth will be triggered just by spending on the basics. If you get more money in the pockets of working classes, they instantly spend it because it's actually really hard emotionally to save when you've been struggling. Whether this is a big night out, on a new fridge when the old one is almost but not quite dead, a nice outfit, or whatever, if money gets into the pockets of people who've been skint and tight, it'll get spent and chain into more growth.

I think after Labour's first budget, regardless of what's in it, there'll be a starting point for some growth. My fear is largely that they don't utilise it enough to turn the spending taps on and trigger more.

Your point about corruption is spot on, I was going to say similar but around general wastage of public money. Labour will be better with public money and spend it in ways that is actually useful which will then improve public services and generate growth.

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Your point about corruption is spot on, I was going to say similar but around general wastage of public money. Labour will be better with public money and spend it in ways that is actually useful which will then improve public services and generate growth.

I don't buy this at all.

But...I do buy that Labour providing stability and some public investment that drives private investment could lead to some growth...and closer ties to EU...but at same time I think UK economy has so many problems I am not convinced at all that good times are on the way.

[kaosmark2]

Just now, steviewevie said:

I don't buy this at all.

But...I do buy that Labour providing stability and some public investment that drives private investment could lead to some growth...and closer ties to EU...but at same time I think UK economy has so many problems I am not convinced at all that good times are on the way.

To be clear, I don't think good times are on the way, just less sh*t times. There's enough just obvious, basic stuff to change that'll create some improvement.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Ommadawn said:

Better than the Tories - yes, but we should expect better from Labour.

yeah, but what labour can do is tied up by how they leave things for labour.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Nobody Interesting said:

The only way the UK will get meaningful growth in the next few years is to fill vacancies that are stopping sick folks get back to work and to fill vacanices of job those able simply do not wish to do.

not quite true  - fixing the funding the tories have cut will grow the economy.

[steviewevie]

I'm glad she's countering the whole Sunaky we must all be computer scientists thing...

 

 

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I don't buy this at all.

But...I do buy that Labour providing stability and some public investment that drives private investment could lead to some growth...and closer ties to EU...but at same time I think UK economy has so many problems I am not convinced at all that good times are on the way.

What don’t you buy?

I didn’t mean that doing that alone will bring about good times just it will help to generate some growth/slightly better public services. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I'm glad she's countering the whole Sunaky we must all be computer scientists thing...

 

 

Again, how?

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

Again, how?

because I don't want our lives to be just maths. Leave that to AI...and make sure we still have something called the arts (because actually we're quite good at it).

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

because I don't want our lives to be just maths. Leave that to AI...and make sure we still have something called the arts (because actually we're quite good at it).

Sorry Steviewevie. I was referring to Rachel Reeves's comment - not yours. Sloppy editing on my part. I agree with your post.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

What don’t you buy?

I didn’t mean that doing that alone will bring about good times just it will help to generate some growth/slightly better public services. 

I don't buy the whole Tories are wasteful or corrupt or whatever and Labour will fix that and that will lead to growth. I do buy that Labour fixing and spending more on public services and infrastructure and investing in green tech industries will lead to growth though...but that is not an easy fix which Reeves is obviously starting to spell out to everyone.

I'm actually more optimistic than I may be appearing. I think and hope Labour will do a good job, and will be in power for at least two terms. But maybe that's the beer talking.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I don't buy the whole Tories are wasteful or corrupt or whatever and Labour will fix that and that will lead to growth. I do buy that Labour fixing and spending more on public services and infrastructure and investing in green tech industries will lead to growth though...but that is not an easy fix which Reeves is obviously starting to spell out to everyone.

I'm actually more optimistic than I may be appearing. I think and hope Labour will do a good job, and will be in power for at least two terms. But maybe that's the beer talking.

You don’t believe that the Tories are wasteful or corrupt?

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

The whole sentence said
"I don't buy the whole Tories are wasteful or corrupt or whatever and Labour will fix that and that will lead to growth."

Take one part and it reads differently, take it all and it makes sense and does not say what you suggest.

Fair play, I've miss-understood what he was saying. I think his overall point isn't correct though, Labour will won't be as wasteful with money as the Tories have been and that alone will mean more money into public services. It might not generate much growth but it can help.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Fair play, I've miss-understood what he was saying. I think his overall point isn't correct though, Labour will won't be as wasteful with money as the Tories have been and that alone will mean more money into public services. It might not generate much growth but it can help.

Covering all bases then 😄