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[lost]

12 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

You must be happy about that seeing as you aren’t keen on people being supported. 

Well they were the people we were protecting with the "you can rebuild the economy you can't bring people back to life" mantra. Seems fair they should contribute something whilst we re-build the economy I guess.

[steviewevie]

We got a what to do in a power cut leaflet through the door. Exciting.

Candles and parlour games.

[steviewevie]

Meanwhile

 

[Neil]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Meanwhile

 

If we had a war would they set up peace rooms. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, lost said:

Well they were the people we were protecting with the "you can rebuild the economy you can't bring people back to life" mantra. Seems fair they should contribute something whilst we re-build the economy I guess.

It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t want pensioners to be supported.

[lost]

8 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t want pensioners to be supported.

Its the people who supported the tory lockdowns who wanted this.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, lost said:

It’s the people who supported the tory lockdowns who wanted this.

Ok then if you say so. I hope you start to show some level of care for others one day. 

[Guest]

Yes the real issue is facing the country today is how Labour will spend every single penny for every single policy not clowns like this in high office. 

[steviewevie]

26 minutes ago, lost said:

Its the people who supported the tory lockdowns who wanted this.

Oh right. 

[lost]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Oh right. 

Well isn't that what "You can repair the economy you can't bring people back to life" means? I'm prepared to suffer long term economic harm for potentially less people dying in the short term.

Though we all knew the people saying that would develop amnesia after covid.

Anyway we will see how much appetite the markets have for that covid debt from next month:

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by lost

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, lost said:

Well isn't that what "You can repair the economy you can't bring people back to life" means? I'm prepared to suffer long term economic harm for potentially less people dying in the short term.

Though we all knew the people saying that would develop amnesia after covid.

I see you are one of them, it explains a lot. Say hi to Lawrence Fox.

[lost]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I see you are one of them, it explains a lot. Say hi to Lawrence Fox.

Well life isn't suddenly all lollypops and blowjobs 6 months after Starmer gets in your melt down here is going to be hilarious 😆

[steviewevie]

20 minutes ago, lost said:

Well isn't that what "You can repair the economy you can't bring people back to life" means? I'm prepared to suffer long term economic harm for potentially less people dying in the short term.

Though we all knew the people saying that would develop amnesia after covid.

Anyway we will see how much appetite the markets have for that covid debt from next month:

 

There are ways of repairing the economy from a short term shock, but the govt went and buggered about with funky ideas that no one trusted and are now desperate not to upset the bond market any more hence all the potential spending cuts.

Edited October 18, 2022 by steviewevie

[lost]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

There are ways of repairing the economy froma short term shock, but the govt went and buggered about with funky ideas that no one trustrd and are now desperate not to upset the bond market any more hence all the potential spending cuts.

Its growth, spending cuts or tax rises. I agree about the growth, the levels required are not really ever seen in mature fully developed economies.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, lost said:

Its growth, spending cuts or tax rises. I agree about the growth, the levels required are not really ever seen in mature fully developed economies.

leaving the EU didn't exactly help either.

[lost]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

leaving the EU didn't exactly help either.

Nope that was completely stupid.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, lost said:

Well life isn't suddenly all lollypops and blowjobs 6 months after Starmer gets in your melt down here is going to be hilarious 😆

It’s gonna take a lot longer than 6 months for Labour to fix the mess your lot have left behind.

I see you are one of those people that didn’t care about others in the pandemic either. Very on brand for you. 

[kaosmark2]

2 hours ago, Ozanne said:

It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t want pensioners to be supported.

At what point should pensioner benefits be considered for cuts?

Bearing in mind literally everything else has been cut over the last 12 years while the richest generation have continued to rise above inflation.

[fraybentos1]

2 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

At what point should pensioner benefits be considered for cuts?

Bearing in mind literally everything else has been cut over the last 12 years while the richest generation have continued to rise above inflation.

Yep the triple lock is a dog shit policy. Ozanne will put his fingers in his ears and call you a tory tho if you dare question his wisdom.

[fraybentos1]

1 hour ago, lost said:

 

Anyway we will see how much appetite the markets have for that covid debt from next month:

 

Good stuff. Hopefully means interest rates get up to a reasonable level. Been way too low for too long.

[kaosmark2]

9 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Yep the triple lock is a dog shit policy. Ozanne will put his fingers in his ears and call you a tory tho if you dare question his wisdom.

It's a massive vote winner, but if centre left people in their 20s and 30s won't question it, who will?

[fraybentos1]

4 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

It's a massive vote winner, but if centre left people in their 20s and 30s won't question it, who will?

I mean that's just it aye, pensioners are the ones who vote. I am not for one second saying that all pensioners have it easy, but generally they are very comfortably off and on good workplace pensions. My Gran was a primary teacher which is obv a kinda average paying job. She is now 90 odd and gets more per month (inc. state pension) than I do from working full time. 

Young people are getting fucked over. Awful house prices, wage stagnation for years, dying planet etc. I wish more of us actually voted lol

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

At what point should pensioner benefits be considered for cuts?

Bearing in mind literally everything else has been cut over the last 12 years while the richest generation have continued to rise above inflation.

I don’t want either pensioners benefits cut or workers benefits cut (for want of a better term). We should tax the wealthy, ensure big corporations pay their fair share of tax and ensure we distribute wealth out more fairly; with a bit of that no one should see any benefits cut or loss of income.

I’m not narrow minded enough just to only think about myself, I try to see other peoples situations. Other people would do well to try some of that.  

Edited October 18, 2022 by Ozanne

[kaosmark2]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

I don’t want either pensioners benefits cut or workers benefits cut (for want of a better term). We should tax the wealthy, ensure big corporations pay their fair share of tax and ensure we distribute wealth out more fairly; with a bit of that no one should see any benefits cut or lose of income.

I’m not narrow minded enough just to only think about myself, I try to see other peoples situations. Other people would do well to try some of that.  

If you're in favour of more equitable wealth distribution, you should oppose the pension triple lock. It's poor working young people funding those of higher wealth to continue living in relative luxury.

It's not about a refusal to think about people other than myself, it's about thinking that generational inequality shouldn't grow even further.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

If you're in favour of more equitable wealth distribution, you should oppose the pension triple lock. It's poor working young people funding those of higher wealth to continue living in relative luxury.

It's not about a refusal to think about people other than myself, it's about thinking that generational inequality shouldn't grow even further.

I didn’t mean you, I meant generally.

Don’t punch down, punch up. Focus on the idiots in power that create this massive wealth disparity and have ensure poverty has grown in this country. Focus on the mega-rich that avoid paying their share of tax and the big corporations that barely pay any; not the pensioners just like us are trying to get by.