news & politics:discussion

[cellar]

41 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

The Tories will try to convince people that scrapping IHT will benefit them when overwhelmingly barely anyone will reach the threshold to pay it. It’s another trick from the Tories and their supporters to trick the public into believing they’re on their side. 

I think (hope) that the majority of people would see through scrapping IHT. Its not something that affects most people, so why would they care? The people who care are most likely going to vote Tory anyway, so I don't see it as a vote winner.

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, cellar said:

why would they care?

most people are wrongly scared that their children won't inherit. the wealth in their house. house price inflation has pushed many houses into the ihtax  catchment

[Neil]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67834723

Michael Eavis playing his usual role as the millionaire socialist and is now a Sir 🙂 

if hes a millionaire its from farming. hes not perfect, but the knighthood is for a lifetime of good works including raising millions for charity.

[Neil]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Anyone who takes a knighthood is rubber stamping their approval for the whole class system.

that would be correct for a lordship, but a kinghood is for recognition of good work, and comes with no powers or privileges

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

Think what you want but plenty of people have turned them down for this reason.  I wouldn't accept one for sure.  

fair enough to Michael for accepting it, its excellent recognition of a lifetime of top work, and there's not really anything else to collect for that.

[Neil]

most grown up countries have a way of honouring petiole who do exceptional work so a powerless title doesn't offend me(i choose not to use it tho).

[Neil]

11 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Ah you fool yourself...  Its just another symbol of the whole class system and it evils.  

I've no problem with someone being honoured by the state for good work and Eavis is probably more deserving than most.built a world leading festival  and when he could have been cashing in he's raised sh*t loads for charitee and helped bring green ideas into the mainstream.

[Neil]

42 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Ah you fool yourself...  Its just another symbol of the whole class system and it evils.  

Eavis more deserving than most he's not milked it for every penny when he might have done.

hes made enough from it  to help fund his farm and make a bigger sucess of farming than he would have done otherwise. He's built social housing in the village. And restored the village barn.

helped fund a lovely working man's club for the village which other villages would kill for. He's kept a shop and post office in the village.

[cellar]

6 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

I think its purely a move to shore up their core support.  If they wanted to make the plebs happy they would cut income tax.

Yeah I reckon an income tax cut is more likely, makes more sense as a last ditch attempt to win voters.
 

[Neil]

20 minutes ago, cellar said:

Yeah I reckon an income tax cut is more likely, makes more sense as a last ditch attempt to win voters.
 

Any income tax cuts will get shredded by the OBR like the truss budget Cos lowering tax receipts will f**k the country's finances. Can't see that happening without a negative effect on Tory support 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Neil said:

Any income tax cuts will get shredded by the OBR like the truss budget Cos lowering tax receipts will f**k the country's finances. Can't see that happening without a negative effect on Tory support 

yeah, with inflation coming down maybe they won't be able to fiddle the numbers as they did with the autumn budget tax cuts (although not sure how all that worked).

Edited December 30, 2023 by steviewevie

[Ozanne]

24 minutes ago, Neil said:

Any income tax cuts will get shredded by the OBR like the truss budget Cos lowering tax receipts will f**k the country's finances. Can't see that happening without a negative effect on Tory support 

A cut in income tax will barely do anything to make anyone feel any better off, it’ll only be £s difference yet the usual suspects will harp on about great it is. Remember after the Autumn Statement we had people claiming things were going to be so much better…

[Justiceforcedave]

 Great to see so many deserving individuals on the list…

[Justiceforcedave]

It’s really cute to hear everyone talking about pensions based on the existing system… the whole thing is going to need a rethink when all the jobs get automated by AI and there’s no one left to pay Into the pot 😂

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, Justiceforcedave said:

It’s really cute to hear everyone talking about pensions based on the existing system… the whole thing is going to need a rethink when all the jobs get automated by AI and there’s no one left to pay Into the pot 😂

i've heard people talk about UBI  to deal with that. if there's AI doing jobs there'll be wealth to share around..

[Justiceforcedave]

20 minutes ago, Neil said:

i've heard people talk about UBI  to deal with that. if there's AI doing jobs there'll be wealth to share around..

I think it’ll have to go that way! Tax companies that are making lots of money but not hiring people.

I’m sure they’ll all wilfully go for it as well and won’t need to be dragged kicking and screaming or try and find ways around it 😂

[Neil]

just walked down the road to the shops, glanced in estate agents window and was surprised to see every house marked as sold, and at the sort of premium prices houses were selling for a year ago - was quite surprised to see houses selling so well.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Neil said:

just walked down the road to the shops, glanced in estate agents window and was surprised to see every house marked as sold, and at the sort of premium prices houses were selling for a year ago - was quite surprised to see houses selling so well.

think overall they've only fallen a few percent over the year? and probably wont' fall much more if at all over the next year...but also depends on price and location...? Difficult for first time buyers as prices still high but now borrowing more expensive...

[Neil]

29 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

think overall they've only fallen a few percent over the year? and probably wont' fall much more if at all over the next year...but also depends on price and location...? Difficult for first time buyers as prices still high but now borrowing more expensive...

they were all local to me, which says prices have gone back up, the house opposite, dropped by £25k before it sold.

[cellar]

4 hours ago, Ozanne said:

A cut in income tax will barely do anything to make anyone feel any better off, it’ll only be £s difference yet the usual suspects will harp on about great it is. Remember after the Autumn Statement we had people claiming things were going to be so much better…

Yeah I don't think it'll help anyone, but it's more of a vote winner. We'll see anyway

[Neil]

1 hour ago, cellar said:

Yeah I don't think it'll help anyone, but it's more of a vote winner. We'll see anyway

They'd like to cut so they campaign that labour will increase taxes.

[steviewevie]

 

[Justiceforcedave]

Pretty grim.

[steviewevie]

16 minutes ago, Justiceforcedave said:

Pretty grim.

there's going to be 10s of thousands more that will die of starvation or disease unless it stops soon.

[steviewevie]