news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

14 minutes ago, Neil said:

Does anyone think the Palestinians would accept that the loss of productive land for desert?

looks like Israel are pushing for a one state solution.

[Guest]

46 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Plots?

Right wing spin innit?

[Neil]

44 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

looks like Israel are pushing for a one state solution.

two states only works with a peaceful Palestinian state that isn't throwing bombs over the border.

[steviewevie]

55 minutes ago, Neil said:

two states only works with a peaceful Palestinian state that isn't throwing bombs over the border.

well yeah, that and many other things would need to happen, which is probably why it never will.

[Skip997]

14 hours ago, Neil said:

skippy loves to go on about the lack of food in gaza, UN are fund raising for food aid, i wonder how much he's chipped in - or is feeding them not his point?

Little point when Israel won’t let it in.

[Skip997]

2 hours ago, Neil said:

And Israel would just have another hostile state on its border.

Egypt are not hostile to Israel 

[Skip997]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

looks like Israel are pushing for a one state solution.

Have people only just started to notice?
 

This has always been the plan 

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Have people only just started to notice?
 

This has always been the plan 

did that plan involve Hamas attacking on Oct 7?

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

Egypt are not hostile to Israel 

Recent event!

They've been part of the attacking armies more than once.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, Skip997 said:

Have people only just started to notice?
 

This has always been the plan 

if its always been the plan why did Israel let the Palestinians to return in big numbers 20-ish years ago.

 

the facts don't align with your hate-take.

[steviewevie]

50 minutes ago, Neil said:

if its always been the plan why did Israel let the Palestinians to return in big numbers 20-ish years ago.

 

the facts don't align with your hate-take.

problem is, there are many on the right who do want Israel to just drive out all Palestinians and take the whole lot...and they just happen to be in power....and ironically the more that Palestinians fight back the more power these right wingers have. The extremists on both sides feed each other.

[Neil]

24 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

problem is, there are many on the right who do want Israel to just drive out all Palestinians and take the whole lot...and they just happen to be in power....and ironically the more that Palestinians fight back the more power these right wingers have. The extremists on both sides feed each other.

The right wingers want a lot more than Gaza and west bank.

[Neil]

 

tory's are going to pump the housing market and push up prices even more.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/26/tories-to-promise-help-for-first-time-buyers-in-effort-to-lure-voters-say-reports

[Neil]

15 minutes ago, Neil said:

 

tory's are going to pump the housing market and push up prices even more.

 

if labour don't pump the market to avoid a house price slump they'll have trouble avoiding a recession, and delivering promised things that need a growing economy to fund them.

[Neil]

here's a new one - cheating using anal beads......

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/27/chinese-chess-champion-stripped-of-title-after-defecating-in-hotel-bathtub

[steviewevie]

8 hours ago, Neil said:

 

tory's are going to pump the housing market and push up prices even more.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/26/tories-to-promise-help-for-first-time-buyers-in-effort-to-lure-voters-say-reports

yeah, won't work, and will just make problem worse. Dumb.

[steviewevie]

 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Spring general election. 

[Neil]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, won't work, and will just make problem worse. Dumb.

it'll work at getting some extra peeps to buy, won't cure the housing crisis.

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, Neil said:

it'll work at getting some extra peeps to buy, won't cure the housing crisis.

yeah, just fuels demand, when it's the supply side that needs sorting.

[steviewevie]

[cellar]

8 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Accessibility to the market and the cost / amount of housing are not the same problem and need to be dealt with separately.  Both matter.

No point having low cost housing if you need a 50% deposit...     it would be better for most people to have high prices and 100% mortgages.

Completely agree, saving up for a deposit is such a barrier to entry. Next year is a year of big saving for us, but once we can finally get a place our disposable income goes back up (because it'll cost less to pay the mortgage than to save up the massive deposit). 

[Neil]

42 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

One of the problems we have is developers don't want to build many more houses so they can keep prices higher so they make more per unit.  There is no reason for house builders to build more houses than they currently do as they just water down the same pot. 

The only way of getting more house build is for governments to incentivise developers to build more properties which is costly.

prices are high cos builders like to get paid and so do materials suppliers -  good houses cant be delivered cheap.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, just fuels demand, when it's the supply side that needs sorting.

The Tories never deal with supply because they don’t want people to actually be able to own their own homes. It’s a thing their supporters always avoid talking about whenever housing is discussed.

[lost]

I was personally disgusted with Red Thatcher and her communist right to buy scheme.