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[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, Homer said:

Election results?

Brown and miliband didn't give the tories an 80 seat majority.

[mattiloy]

27 minutes ago, Homer said:

Election results?

Vote share is part of the election results isn’t it? Under PR he’d have beaten Miliband and Brown for instance.

You could argue that a candidate can’t control how popular his opponents are, only how popular they are and that Corbyn was more popular than Miliband and Brown but BoJo was much more popular than May or Cameron.

 

55 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

 

The more the party members invent a false narrative the harder it gets for him. Your everything you criticised of Corbyn's opponents.ask yourself if you want a labour govt or if you only want onre on your terms cos the govt of the country is about satisfying just you. Others see that and other things you say you want and don't want that its all about just you.

Gotta say the hypocrisy is superb. Spend 5 years slagging off Corbyn, smearing him as an antisemite and undermining his policies as looney left (and thus feeding the idea that normal social democratic policies are unrealistic despite existing and achieving good outcomes for folk across europe and doubtless setting the debate back years that many people can’t afford) then cry when people slag off your guy for acting like a tyrant and lurching to the right despite being elected on a left wing policy manifesto?

Tory enablers are the blue labourites who say free uni education, not selling arms to saudi, public ownership of railways is the stuff of cloud cuckoo land. Tory enablers are Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling who agreed that the only way to resolve the financial crisis was through a huge austerity program. Fuck new labour and their ’But..but.. sure start’ bullshit. Its wasn’t good enough then, it isn’t now.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

52 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

smearing him as an antisemite

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[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

Vote share is part of the election results isn’t it? Under PR he’d have beaten Miliband and Brown for instance.

more to do with ukip dying on its arse than anything those voters had to go somwhere labour only got 1/3rd of them so as many didnt like corbyn as liked him

 

 

 

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Gotta say the hypocrisy is superb. Spend 5 years slagging off Corbyn, smearing him as an antisemite

lots of reasons to slag of corbyn most brits weren't cheering on the ira when they killed other brits.....

he smeared himself as that by not knowing what an anti semetic mural was and by calling terrorists his friends. and you know the thing rbl sacrificed herself for that was proven untrue yesterday in the trial that's going on at the mo. the knee on neck was not an approved method of restraint even if taught by the isrealis, who thinks the isrealis are required to yank cops to kill black people only people with an anti jewish adgenda.

 

 

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and undermining his policies as looney left (and thus feeding the idea that normal social democratic policies are unrealistic despite existing and achieving good outcomes for folk across europe and doubtless setting the debate back years that many people can’t afford) then cry when people slag off your guy for acting like a tyrant and lurching to the right despite being elected on a left wing policy manifesto?

Tory enablers are the blue labourites who say free uni education, not selling arms to saudi, public ownership of railways is the stuff of cloud cuckoo land. Tory enablers are Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling who agreed that the only way to resolve the financial crisis was through a huge austerity program. Fuck new labour and their ’But..but.. sure start’ bullshit. Its wasn’t good enough then, it isn’t now.

 

Edited April 7, 2021 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

Vote share is part of the election results isn’t it? Under PR he’d have beaten Miliband and Brown for instance.

You could argue that a candidate can’t control how popular his opponents are, only how popular they are and that Corbyn was more popular than Miliband and Brown but BoJo was much more popular than May or Cameron.

 

Gotta say the hypocrisy is superb. Spend 5 years slagging off Corbyn, smearing him as an antisemite and undermining his policies as looney left (and thus feeding the idea that normal social democratic policies are unrealistic despite existing and achieving good outcomes for folk across europe

corbyn claimed sweden is socialist anyone paying attention would know cobyn was talking shit and people aren't generally impressed with people who talk shit.

 

 

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

 

and doubtless setting the debate back years that many people can’t afford) then cry when people slag off your guy for acting like a tyrant and lurching to the right despite being elected on a left wing policy manifesto?

not my guy just somone better than your guy and not a left wing manifesto as the corbynites have been keen to tell everyone

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

Tory enablers are the blue labourites who say free uni education,

even cobyn wouldn't commit to free uni which is one reason why people didn't trust him

 

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

not selling arms to saudi,

how we gonna pay for oil others wise

 

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

public ownership of railways is the stuff of cloud cuckoo land. Tory enablers are Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling who agreed that the only way to resolve the financial crisis was through a huge austerity program.

there is no bottomless pit for continual overspending. corbyn thouhht there was which is why people didn't trust him. most people realise there's noendless free lunch.

 

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

 

 

Fuck new labour and their ’But..but.. sure start’ bullshit. Its wasn’t good enough then, it isn’t now.

 

[eFestivals]

29 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

sturgeon doesnt have those ratings for anything other than flag waving nationalism, which i dont think you like

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, mattiloy said:

Spend 5 years slagging off Corbyn

corbyn had spent his career slagging off labour  (while voting alonside the most horrible of tories which he's just returned to and undermining the leadership with 'cattempted 'coups'

[mattiloy]

22 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

corbyn claimed sweden is socialist anyone paying attention would know cobyn was talking shit and people aren't generally impressed with people who talk shit.

 

 

not my guy just somone better than your guy and not a left wing manifesto as the corbynites have been keen to tell everyone

even cobyn wouldn't commit to free uni which is one reason why people didn't trust him

 

how we gonna pay for oil others wise

 

there is no bottomless pit for continual overspending. corbyn thouhht there was which is why people didn't trust him. most people realise there's noendless free lunch.

 

 

When the aggro centrist can’t win an argument he just resorts to lies. Classic tactics.

Barely any of the uk’s oil comes from middle east and it has one of the fastest growing renewables industries anywhere in the world with plans afoot for new major wind plants in the sea, one of the great benefits of being an island.

Corbyn was explicitly against tuition fees.

Please provide a source for Corbyn saying Sweden was socialist. All i can find is a vague reference to it being socially democratic. If you can’t back it up, don’t say it.

If you are happy to quote friedman ’no such thing as a free lunch’ clart in reference to your preferred approach to economics then you don’t belong anywhere near the labour party. Neoclassical economics is 1) a crock of shit whose influence is withering even amongst it’s erstwhile champions 2) incompatible with social democracy.

 

19 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

sturgeon doesnt have those ratings for anything other than flag waving nationalism, which i dont think you like

The difference being of course that the flag waved by Starmer and Sarwar has red on it.

Edited April 7, 2021 by mattiloy

[eFestivals]

Just now, mattiloy said:

When the aggro centrist can’t win an argument he just resorts to lies. Classic tactics.

what was the lie.corbyn said sweden was socialist. that was the lie

 

Just now, mattiloy said:

Barely any of the uk’s oil comes from middle east

what we get from saudi is paid for by the arms trade check out the uk/saudi balance of payments

 

Just now, mattiloy said:

 

and it has one of the fastest growing renewables industries anywhere in the world with plans afoot for new major wind plants in the sea, one of the great benefits of being an island.

If you are happy to quote friedman ’no such thing as a free lunch’ clart in reference to your preferred approach to economics 

printing money isnt free otherwise zimbarbwe and grreece would be the rivchest countrires in the world

 

Just now, mattiloy said:

then you don’t belong anywhere near the labour party. Neoclassical economics is 1) a crock of shit whose influence is withering even amongst it’s erstwhile champions 2) incompatible with social democracy.

is a crock of shit modern idea check how thingsworked in the days of the gold standard

Just now, mattiloy said:

The difference being of course that the flag waved by Starmer and Sarwar has red on it.

because everything about the uk is evil winning strategy not. orwell saw that for what it was 80 years ago

Just now, mattiloy said:

stuff he wouldn't stand by when specifically questioned about it

Just now, mattiloy said:

 

[eFestivals]

8 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

If you are happy to quote friedman ’no such thing as a free lunch’ clart in reference to your preferred approach to economics then you don’t belong anywhere near the labour party. Neoclassical economics is 1) a crock of shit whose influence is withering even amongst it’s erstwhile champions 2) incompatible with social democracy.

 

corbyn wasnt a trure lefty cos he bottled out of so much he could have done by running the printing presses 24/7

[eFestivals]

49 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

When the aggro centrist can’t win an argument he just resorts to lies. Classic tactics.

says the geezer making it up about starmer

 

 

 

 

49 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

Please provide a source for Corbyn saying Sweden was socialist. All i can find is a vague reference to it being socially democratic. If you can’t back it up, don’t say it.

 

i saw corbyn say sweden was socialist cant find a reference to it now  have provided a reference to ity on here before . he couldn't back it up yet you still worship him

49 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

If you are happy to quote friedman ’no such thing as a free lunch’ clart in reference to your preferred approach to economics then you don’t belong anywhere near the labour party. Neoclassical economics is 1) a crock of shit whose influence is withering even amongst it’s erstwhile champions 2) incompatible with social democracy.

everything has a value and that value is covered by the value  of other people's work. and no one is kkeen for their work to benefit others and not themselves same for toies and the perfect socialist.

49 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

 

The difference being of course that the flag waved by Starmer and Sarwar has red on it.

cos colours matter the most the flag with red on that cobyn waved was the russian flag

 

49 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

if corbyn was straight forwards and honest and consistent on uni fees where did those headlines com from

[topmarksbri]

2 hours ago, mattiloy said:

Tory enablers

In a two party system tory enablers are anyone who doesn't vote for/support Labour.

[eFestivals]

9 minutes ago, topmarksbri said:

In a two party system tory enablers are anyone who doesn't vote for/support Labour.

like the corbynistas who did so much to turn people away resuting in the worst result for labour in 80 years

[steviewevie]

2 hours ago, eFestivals said:

sturgeon doesnt have those ratings for anything other than flag waving nationalism, which i dont think you like

I'll turn a blind eye when it's for independence from evil imperial overlords.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

I'll turn a blind eye when it's for independence from evil imperial overlords.

its nothing of the "Scotland is more left wing it started out as being it doesn't get more Blairite than the SNP

[mattiloy]

6 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

its nothing of the "Scotland is more left wing it started out as being it doesn't get more Blairite than the SNP

Can I ask, from what I gather you aren’t Scottish, so why do you want Scotland to stay in the UK so much?

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

its nothing of the "Scotland is more left wing it started out as being it doesn't get more Blairite than the SNP

errr...I guess not.....

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, mattiloy said:

Can I ask, from what I gather you aren’t Scottish, so why do you want Scotland to stay in the UK so much?

come on...I expect most English people want Scotland to stay in UK...for a start I consider myself more British than English...but I guess going to have to get used to the fact that being English is actually a thing. Plus, without Scotland makes forever tory government even more likely.

Plus again, the union jack is a pretty cool flag...mods and britpop and all that....and you only see the England flag outside racists' houses

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Can I ask, from what I gather you aren’t Scottish, so why do you want Scotland to stay in the UK so much?

Cos if Scotland leaves it'll be because of bigger porkies being told than garage managed plus much more damaging to Scotland than brexit might be. If they're going to make that big decision it shouldn't be because of lies that serve no one but the liars.

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Plus, without Scotland makes forever tory government even more likely.

I don't buy that things will adjust to the new reality as they tend to do.

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

you only see the England flag outside racists' houses

Shame Scots can't apply similar thoughts to their own flesh flying.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

 

Shame Scots can't apply similar thoughts to their own flesh flying.

Means different things...but you know that....proud Scottish people wanting independence...and English people proud of (perceived) dominance.

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Cos if Scotland leaves it'll be because of bigger porkies being told than garage managed plus much more damaging to Scotland than brexit might be. If they're going to make that big decision it shouldn't be because of lies that serve no one but the liars.

maybe they're sick of being governed by a political party they never vote for, and to leave the EU they never voted for....and maybe they just want to fully govern themsleves...like they used to...

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

and to leave the EU they never voted for....and maybe they just want to fully govern themsleves...like they used to...

If Scotland had voted only remain there would have been no brexit and they like to ptend their vote can't influence anything of what happens to scotland. By they risk a worse outcome than Tory govts via indy.thryll need bigger austerity than the tories ever gave them.