Brexit Schmexit

[lost]

Papers speculating May might have the numbers now. 30 labour mp’s could defy Corbyn and back the chequers deal.

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, lost said:

Papers speculating May might have the numbers now. 30 labour mp’s could defy Corbyn and back the chequers deal.

not impossible I guess, tho with Rachel reeves just having written an article saying she wouldn't, I'm not sure that'll be right.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/10/theresa-may-dogs-dinner-brexit-plan-constituents-voted-leave

I feel sorry for Labour MPs over this issue, because there's no clearly-right way to vote as voting against May's plan could cause something worse.

It would help if Labour had a bit of leadership with a meaningful position. Without it those labour MPs will be voting blind.

Edited October 10, 2018 by eFestivals

[lost]

It’s in the mail which has gone very pro-eu pro-deal since Geordie Greig took over. I sometimes forget what I’m reading.

[LJS]

7 hours ago, lost said:

Papers speculating May might have the numbers now. 30 labour mp’s could defy Corbyn and back the chequers deal.

All they need is a deal now!

[Guest]

2 hours ago, LJS said:

All they need is a deal now!

The deal will come - but not until the very last minute.

[eFestivals]

7 hours ago, Ommadawn said:

The deal will come - but not until the very last minute.

the deal might come, but it won't be anything like the chequers plan.

It's starting to look like May's done a decent job at sidelining the brexit headbangers, which means she'll be able to move on chequers.

[zahidf]

Ridiculous. They should be locked up

 

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, zahidf said:

should be locked up

morning Donald.

[feral chile]

On 10/11/2018 at 1:35 PM, zahidf said:

Ridiculous. They should be locked up

 

 

On 10/11/2018 at 1:40 PM, eFestivals said:

morning Donald.

Well there are 2 possibilities, just like the paedophile investigation.

Not enough evidence to link those in power to wrongdoing.

Or

Not enough evidence to link those in power to wrongdoing.

Edited November 11, 2018 by feral chile

[pink_triangle]

On 10/11/2018 at 1:35 PM, zahidf said:

Ridiculous. They should be locked up

 

How do you imprison the electoral commission? If individuals which ones? Why is prison in the right punishment?

[feral chile]

38 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

How do you imprison the electoral commission? If individuals which ones? Why is prison in the right punishment?

Why imprison the electoral commission? 

[pink_triangle]

15 minutes ago, feral chile said:

Why imprison the electoral commission? 

I meant the leave campaign, easy mistake!

[feral chile]

8 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I meant the leave campaign, easy mistake!

Ah right, sorry.

They should declare the result illegal and therefore invalid though.

[pink_triangle]

7 minutes ago, feral chile said:

Ah right, sorry.

They should declare the result illegal and therefore invalid though.

I don't think so, I think it would look like stealing the election on a technicality. My preference is a peoples vote.

[feral chile]

40 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I don't think so, I think it would look like stealing the election on a technicality. My preference is a peoples vote.

It'll be interesting, if not terrifying, to see how long we stay out before we can get back in.

[eFestivals]

40 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I don't think so, I think it would look like stealing the election on a technicality. My preference is a peoples vote.

Declaring the previous vote illegal can be (part of) the justification for a new vote.

[pink_triangle]

5 hours ago, eFestivals said:

Declaring the previous vote illegal can be (part of) the justification for a new vote.

I just think it would be seen as an establishment stitch up. The only people who are really upset about this are die hard remainers who would never switch. I think the only route to the vote is mps not agreeing a deal and running out of options.

[eFestivals]

10 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

I just think it would be seen as an establishment stitch up. The only people who are really upset about this are die hard remainers who would never switch. I think the only route to the vote is mps not agreeing a deal and running out of options.

I'm not saying it should be given as the only reason, but justification will need to be given for a new vote, and this can be given as part of it.

What will be seen as an establishment stitch-up the most would be a new vote without good reasons given for why.

[zahidf]

 

[eFestivals]

So last week Corbyn ignore Labour policy and said there's no stopping brexit.

As a result Corbyn is starting to lose even Momentum members, who i've started seeing say they want a change of leader urgently.

Today Starmer has contradicted him, thanks gawd, tho what it all means for what Labour would actually do i've got no idea.

[lost]

Thornberry on Marr yesterday saying now they will vote against any deal to try to force an election which confirms the 6 tests which none of them seemed to be able to remember were bullshit..

It does seem to be now or never for the moderates. Not sure if it will result in them trying to take the party back, vote in favour of Mays deal or do nothing it all.

[eFestivals]

If they bring about a general election they'll have to commit to another ref with remain included as an option in order to get plenty of votes, mine included. 

[pink_triangle]

1 hour ago, lost said:

Thornberry on Marr yesterday saying now they will vote against any deal to try to force an election which confirms the 6 tests which none of them seemed to be able to remember were bullshit..

It does seem to be now or never for the moderates. Not sure if it will result in them trying to take the party back, vote in favour of Mays deal or do nothing it all.

The general election strategy is completely flawed. There arent enough tory MPs that would agree to it, as torys MPs may lose their jobs. Its much easier to get Tory MPs to back a peoples vote.

[eFestivals]

May supposedly has a deal sorted.

Whether that's a deal with her own cabinet or with the EU (and not her cabinet) I'm not entirely sure.

 

[eFestivals]

update: It's this....

Just now, eFestivals said:

with the EU (and not her cabinet)