Fake IDs and over-18s only

[davidd]

Double bubble.

Edited June 10, 2014 by davidd

[stardustjunkie]

Never left a bar because of it because bars never ID only supermarkets.

Do you honestly think someone would lose their job for selling alcohol to someone over 18 without asking if they were over 25? Even if they were clearly over 18?

[fur_q]

The challenge 21/25 policy is often a part of the licensing conditions these days so if a premasis is caught breaching this they can have their licence revoked.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

Not only can they lose their job they can also be fined and sent to court.

Now tell me, if you worked in a supermarket that had a Challenge 25 policy, would you or would you not ID someone who looks under 25, knowing full well the risks you're taking if you don't?

Perhaps you should start to think about how you actually just look younger than you are and appreciate that instead of getting wound up about checkout staff covering their own backs.

[carrie2]

I certinaly dont look younger than I am. I am getting greyer and greyer by the day. When you ask the person if they think you are old enough to buy alcohol. The answer is ALWAYS yes. My point is don't ask if you already know the answer. Challenge 25 is I understand only mandatory in Scotland not in other parts of the union, hence why you dont see their branding everywhere that sells alcohol.

Source: https://www.drinkaware.co.uk/check-the-facts/alcohol-and-the-law/buying-alcohol#challenge25

I dispute that selling alcohol to a customer under the age of 25 but over the age of 18 isnt going to land you with a fine or in court. You have done nothing wrong, except perhaps break some company policy based on a number randomly picked out of the air.

If i worked on a till I would do all that was in my power not to sell alcohol to under 18s, if that meant having to ask for ID I would ask for ID.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

I work in a supermarket on a weekend and I was once spoken to by the duty manager for not iding someone who I went to school with (she was also 21). She is a tattooist, covered in ink but he chose to ignore this and the fact that I spoke to her a lot more than I would a regular customer.

If a checkout operator doesn't make a refusal within a 2 - 3 month period you are given a brief (but patronising) re-training session on the company's policy regarding the sale of alcohol. It may not be the law but it really isn't worth the bother you get in for not doing it. Plus, a fair amount of time I've ided someone expecting them to be about 17 and they've been 24 (and vice versa). It isn't nice doing it, especially when someone kicks off, but I wouldn't risk losing my job by not doing it.

[Ed209]

Do you honestly think someone would lose their job for selling alcohol to someone over 18 without asking if they were over 25? Even if they were clearly over 18?

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

You're missing the point though, just because someone looks over 18 doesn't mean they are over 18. The idea of the policy is if you look under 25 there's a chance you might be under 18, therefore they ID you. I thought this was fairly self-explanatory.

Never live in the States, mate. I've seen 40+ year olds get IDed. You'd end up t-total and very angry.

[stuartbert two hats]

In the states its common place though everywhere selling alcohol is strict on it. Here its mainly supermarkets.

How does a 25 year old look comapared to a 24 year old or a 26 year oLD? Why 25?

You don't have to ask everyone just those you think have the potential to be underage.

[incident]

I completely understand it isn't nice and I understand that people are just following orders. Its the policy that's wrong.

[brightyoungthing]

I may be wrong, but I think I got ID'd to get into one of the clubs in the Block 9/ general naughty corner area a few years ago....

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

But there's absolutely no reason to be an arsehole to the person working the till about it. They don't set the policy, and they don't get paid enough that they should have to deal with some tit with a sense of entitlement.

[johnomatic]

I've got to be honest, I have a lot of sympathy for the Challenge 25 policy, for the reason that I'm only just 18 and I look much older - to the extent I get confused for a teacher at college and a parent at the children's hospital. Even in supermarkets which operate the policy I don't get IDd 80% of the time, I used to work in one and I probably wouldn't have.

Point being the policy is justified because people can look much older than they are, no doubt I would have found it just as easy to be served a few weeks before my 18th as a few weeks after. If anything I think we have quite a good deal on it being Challenge 25, as someone said it's much stricter in the states.

[incident]

If asking somone if they beleive you are under 25 makes me an arsehole, then I must actually be a complete and utter c**t.

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

I've got to be honest, I have a lot of sympathy for the Challenge 25 policy, for the reason that I'm only just 18 and I look much older - to the extent I get confused for a teacher at college and a parent at the children's hospital. Even in supermarkets which operate the policy I don't get IDd 80% of the time, I used to work in one and I probably wouldn't have.

Point being the policy is justified because people can look much older than they are, no doubt I would have found it just as easy to be served a few weeks before my 18th as a few weeks after. If anything I think we have quite a good deal on it being Challenge 25, as someone said it's much stricter in the states.

Edited June 10, 2014 by RobertProsineckisLighter

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

Trying to make a petty point with the person who has no input whatsoever into the policy when you already knew the score before you even approached them. Yes, that's being an arsehole. Sorry, but it is.

I'm judging this only by your own words - it sounds exactly like you're going in with a chip on your shoulder and picking a fight with someone getting six quid an hour, for no reason other than you don't like a policy set about 18 levels of management above them.

[brightyoungthing]

I don't get what the big deal is? Take your ID, it fits nicely in your wallet/purse funnily enough...now you wouldn't go around without a wallet/purse, would you? If somebody asks you to prove you're over 18, then show said ID. Job done, everyone's happy.

The guys who work behind the bars can get fined thousands, literally, festival or not, if they serve somebody under the age of 18. So stop moaning and carry some ID, or don't go to the bars

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

I don't get what the big deal is? Take your ID, it fits nicely in your wallet/purse funnily enough...now you wouldn't go around without a wallet/purse, would you? If somebody asks you to prove you're over 18, then show said ID. Job done, everyone's happy.

The guys who work behind the bars can get fined thousands, literally, festival or not, if they serve somebody under the age of 18. So stop moaning and carry some ID, or don't go to the bars

[brightyoungthing]

Debit card & driving license = same size....

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

Debit card & driving license = same size....

[brightyoungthing]

You could always go to the lock-ups and get your free challenge 25 band, and leave your ID there for safekeeping?

[RobertProsineckisLighter]

You could always go to the lock-ups and get your free challenge 25 band, and leave your ID there for safekeeping?

[incident]

They do have an input into the policy its called feedback. I work with people all over our organisation in a business transformation way (so this probably does make me an arsehole), we develop new ways of working we always run piolts for people to feedback. This feedback is vital and should come from everyone. Staff of whatever level if they find problems with a system or process should feed that back. So they can influence the policy. People dont have to lie down and get their bellies tickeled.

I'm going in with the intention of buying some shopping that may or may not contain alcohol and paying for it, which I am entitled to do.

Asking a couple of questions of a checkout operator is hardly picking a fight with somone is it? Heven forbid someone swears at them or the like. Better than standing there in silence or asking them to pack my bags for me.

[dimus]

Heven forbid someone swears at them or the like. Better than standing there in silence or asking them to pack my bags for me.

[Jelly Belly]

I was asked for ID just before Christmas whilst buying a bottle of Vino in our local Morrissons, I'll not lie, at 36 years of age, I was over the moon and took great joy in showing her my driving license.