Nigel Farrage in Leftfield

[russycarps]

sorry to keep banging on about this, but here are many people who don't have a choice to spend time with their kids or work.

If they don't work, they don't eat, have clothes, heating....

Shameful in the UK in 2014, but true.

So yes, Thatcher's free market did win!

[stuartbert two hats]

Sorry to keep banging on about this, but there are many people who don't have a choice to spend time with their kids or work.

If they don't work, they don't eat, have clothes, heating....

Shameful in the UK in 2014, but true.

So yes, Thatcher's free market did win!

[Guest]

Not at all! But she had a choice between the two. Spending time with your kids would have cost her time. Time that she could have spent earning money. I know people who prefer to work long hours so they can provide for their kids economically. If they didn't work the long hours, they wouldn't have as much money for their children. To state that relationship isn't to make a moral judgement on the virtue of providing materially for their kids. I personally think they're misguided, but they're making a choice, whether they're aware of it or not, that's what's happening.

[tommyds]

Precisely. A choice between spending time with your kids, or death, is no choice at all really.

[Guest]

Oh yeah, totally. If you're near the breadline, then it's no choice at all.

[russycarps]

we have time for those things thanks to being wealthy people.

[jeffie]

I think we've strayed off-topic somewhat.

No Farridge in leftfield.

[Guest]

we have time for those things thanks to being wealthy people.

[russycarps]

I'm still saving so I can afford a walk in the park

[pjadnoo]

I'm still saving so I can afford a walk in the park

[russycarps]

I'm beginning to wonder if you're both the same person: a schizophrenic switching from Tony to Russy and back again, both arguing endlessly over the internet with *that idiot on efests*.

[pjadnoo]

it's hard enough keeping up one idiot persona, let alone 2!

[Guest]

ok, I dont think you are really grasping the fundamental point here.

[GlastoSimon]

I think we've strayed off-topic somewhat.

No Farridge in leftfield.

[Mr.Tease]

I'm still saving so I can afford a walk in the park

[russycarps]

what, that money is everything?

[chestwig]

In a capitalist society, yes.

Or do you live off grid?

[Guest]

soo... when you're lying in bed at night, or watching the sunset, or whatever, contemplating what the meaning of it all is, money is the answer, and that's enough?

[Guest]

You mean the park that appeared by magic and is maintained by goodwill?

[Buff124]

soo... when you're lying in bed at night, or watching the sunset, or whatever, contemplating what the meaning of it all is, money is the answer, and that's enough?

[Mr.Tease]

that's just funny...

open spaces were around before we were...

(do I really need to say that?)

[Mr.Tease]

soo... when you're lying in bed at night, or watching the sunset, or whatever, contemplating what the meaning of it all is, money is the answer, and that's enough?

[russycarps]

soo... when you're lying in bed at night, or watching the sunset, or whatever, contemplating what the meaning of it all is, money is the answer, and that's enough?

[frostypaw]

that's just funny...

open spaces were around before we were...

(do I really need to say that?)

[Guest]

I think you've lost what this argument was all about- it all started with someone saying they were aghast at so much of politics being about money and that instead it should focus on more important things.

We're not all saying money is our love in life, just that it's a vital issue that you can't ignore- distribution of wealth, global poverty, NHS, public provision of services, working conditions, all I would say are more important that you going for a jolly in a park!