e-petition to reinstate the free road tax on older vehicles.

[neilloggie]

If any body has the time or is interested please sign the e-petition to reinstate free road tax for vehicles over 25 years old.

Currently it is free for vehicles registered pre January 1973.

But one of the first things that the glorious Tony Blair did was to stop this as soon as they were voted in,

Thanks Neil.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/37880

[abdoujaparov]

Why?

Not being antagonistic, but why is it a good idea?

[Paul ™]

I disagree with it, some of the old vehicles spit out some emissions which is bad.

Much prefer the system we have now, where you are rewarded by paying less for more enviro friendly cars.

[neilloggie]

I disagree with it, some of the old vehicles spit out some emissions which is bad.

Much prefer the system we have now, where you are rewarded by paying less for more enviro friendly cars.

[neilloggie]

Why?

Not being antagonistic, but why is it a good idea?

[Guest]

Protecting heritage for future generations.

As my brother pointed out,we drove from Scarborough to Leeds,by the time we got to York we had a queue of 50 vehicles behind us. How much fuel did those 50 vehicles save? i feel i am doing the environment a favour thus deserving free car tax.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Protecting heritage for future generations.

As my brother pointed out,we drove from Scarborough to Leeds,by the time we got to York we had a queue of 50 vehicles behind us. How much fuel did those 50 vehicles save? i feel i am doing the environment a favour thus deserving free car tax.

[neilloggie]

sounds like a good reason to be taxed at a higher rate... bleedin' old cars getting in the way

[LondonTom]

But surely your still using the road infrastructure....so you should really contribute to that tax (Discussions of where road tax actually goes aside.)

[eFestivals]

yeah, what we need is more tax breaks for the richest people in the country who can afford to have hobby vehicles as well as their day-to-day car.

Can we also campaign for a reduction in council tax for 2nd home owners, and a reduction in income tax for those earning over £150k a ytear.

Oh, scrap that last one. The tax cut for millionaires is already coming in April, at the same time as cuts in welfare for those working or not working. And that's a good thing of course, the rich are too poor, more money for the rich!

[neilloggie]

But surely your still using the road infrastructure....so you should really contribute to that tax (Discussions of where road tax actually goes aside.)

[eFestivals]

What about the likes of me and you Neil? poor old VW owners? certainly not rich in any way.

Nope, i'm not rich - but I don't think that I should be exempt from taxes for the vehicle I've chosen to drive. You know: choice, not compulsion.

Most of the top quality classic vehicle owners hardly use them

So?

It's probably the case that most (say) Porche owners hardly drive those either, instead choosing to drive a more practical car to drive on a daily basis. Should they get a freebie on the same basis?

You make your choices, and you should pay for those choices and not expect others to pay for your choices.

[eFestivals]

£56 million a day to the E.U,that's where it goes,not on repairing roads,that's why they changed the name to Vehicle Exise Duty.

The amount collected in VED doesn't cover the full costs of the roads.

Yet another myth busted.

[neilloggie]

The amount collected in VED doesn't cover the full costs of the roads.

Yet another myth busted.

[zahidf]

Did you sign the petition Neil?

[eFestivals]

It would have had they continued to invest the money on roads and infrastructure,but for years they have not spent the money collected on roads.

Add that to fuel duties and all other motoring expenses we get a bum deal.

You need to do some better maths.

Add in street lighting. add in the costs of road accidents. Add in road policing. Etc, etc, etc - all the things which the people who say what you've just said deliberately choose to ignore.

Those road costs take the result to the opposite of what you wrongly believe.

Did you sign the petition Neil?

I don't sign petitions in support of tax breaks for the rich.

[neilloggie]

You need to do some better maths.

Add in street lighting. add in the costs of road accidents. Add in road policing. Etc, etc, etc - all the things which the people who say what you've just said deliberately choose to ignore.

Those road costs take the result to the opposite of what you wrongly believe.

I don't sign petitions in support of tax breaks for the rich.

[hot_ice]

Edited March 5, 2013 by hot_ice

[eFestivals]

So what part does Council Tax play in all this?,if they used the taxes for their correct use their would be a surplus.

not all street lighting is paid from council taxes, just as not all roads are paid for out of council taxes.

And anyway, when did life become about only paying for the parts of things that you use? There's a road tax for roads, but there's no prisons tax for paying for prisons - so the taxes that are raised around one thing are not going to necessarily be used to pay for just that particular thing.

All the same, what I said holds true: the money raised via VED does not cover the full costs of the roads.

[incident]

What a terrible idea. Rather than expand the loopholes, surely the debate should be about getting rid of them - the exemptions for Agricultural and Historic vehicles for a start.

If some farmer insists on doing 20 miles an hour along the A453, there's no reason they shouldn't be paying the same as everyone else.

[abdoujaparov]

So what part does Council Tax play in all this?,if they used the taxes for their correct use their would be a surplus.

[neilloggie]

What a totally nonsense argument. None of the tax we pay comes with a condition that it may only be spent on certain things

[eFestivals]

Is it too much to ask for a tax break for older vehicles?

yes it is.

If it's your only vehicle, why should you be exempt from the tax that everyone else has to pay?

And if it's not your only vehicle, why should those not rich enough to afford a second vehicle themselves subsidise the tax due from your second vehicle?

[abdoujaparov]

I know the tax we pay doesn't come with conditions,but if they started using it for the right purposes we would not be living in the state we are now.

Is it too much to ask for a tax break for older vehicles?

[eFestivals]

I dont pay tax to subsidise your ownership of a classic car (because that's tat effect of what you want).

yep, exactly that.