Benicassim 2013!

[gedkelly]

we got an apartment for 6 for 2 weeks for 1250 euro in oropesa

[rug568]

Guys just man up and camp.

[gedkelly]

no brownie points for camping fella , check my thoughts on such in this forum over the last 4 Beni's . Hot n cold , aircon heaven for me , i'm fat and 52 paid my dues now i want comfort x

[gedkelly]

heard anything yet anyone ?

[Createur]

No, but read this:

http://primaverasoun...l.wordpress.com

This is madness because it makes the countries around us much more competitive than us. They can offer cheaper tickets and put up more money for an artist. This means the impending collapse of the sector and we can expect a lot more unpleasant surprises this year. Not even the most consolidated of festivals is safe. And obviously, no one with capital is going to want to get into this sector now.

Edited October 16, 2012 by Createur

[eFestivals]

No, but read this:

http://primaverasoun...l.wordpress.com

I've got to say that that is the most-misplaced rant I've read for a while.

They're moaning that the rise in VAT is more than they can take on the basis that "the countries around us much more competitive than us", and yet their whole success in the first place has been made around the fact that they've been (via their VAT rate) more competitive than other countries.

After all, the new VAT rate that they're complaining about is only half a percent more than the VAT rate that the UK has had for 15+ years, and is still 2% less than the VAT rate that the UK has had for 2 years.

I'm guessing that the good value that these overseas fests represented in the past has now come to an end.

The UK festie scene will be the better for it.

[thetime]

I'm guessing that the good value that these overseas fests represented in the past has now come to an end.

The UK festie scene will be the better for it.

[eFestivals]

Are you sure? Value isnt just in the price is it?

value is precisely the price and nothing else. As in it's good value if it's a quid, and it's not good value if its ten thousand quid.

[thetime]

value is precisely the price and nothing else. As in it's good value if it's a quid, and it's not good value if its ten thousand quid.

[eFestivals]

Dont agree at all, value is what you get from a product. You could buy a cheap washing up liquid and you might ot get they same quality as if you had fairy liquid.

Certain festivals abroad you get more for your money like rock werchter 4 days instead of the usual 3, sziget 5 days of music.

Is v better value than glastonbury because its cheaper?

You're missing the point.

That article is saying that those festivals overseas will cease to give the value that they've been giving up till now. They won't put their prices up, but they now have 13% extra costs.

That means that that 13% (or most of it) will be reclaimed from things within the festival - a cut back with non-essentrial infrastructure (and perhaps some of the essentials too), and/or a cut back in what is spent on booking entertainments.

So a person will get less for their money at those overseas festivals, and so they will consider them to be of lesser value than they did previously.

Where any individual draws their value line will vary from person to person, but the laws of economics gets to say that it will very definitely have a negative effect on how many people will want to buy tickets - tho it might take a year of people experiencing those cut-backs for it to have a noticeable impact.

So, with overseas festivals giving lesser value than they have done, UK festivals will look better value for money alongside them, and should reap some benefit (tho perhaps very small for any one festival).

Anything else would mean that the laws of economics are wrong.

[thetime]

You're missing the point.

That article is saying that those festivals overseas will cease to give the value that they've been giving up till now. They won't put their prices up, but they now have 13% extra costs.

That means that that 13% (or most of it) will be reclaimed from things within the festival - a cut back with non-essentrial infrastructure (and perhaps some of the essentials too), and/or a cut back in what is spent on booking entertainments.

So a person will get less for their money at those overseas festivals, and so they will consider them to be of lesser value than they did previously.

Where any individual draws their value line will vary from person to person, but the laws of economics gets to say that it will very definitely have a negative effect on how many people will want to buy tickets - tho it might take a year of people experiencing those cut-backs for it to have a noticeable impact.

So, with overseas festivals giving lesser value than they have done, UK festivals will look better value for money alongside them, and should reap some benefit (tho perhaps very small for any one festival).

Anything else would mean that the laws of economics are wrong.

[Cristall]

For a part I can agree with eFestivals comments: it would be logic that the VAT raise will have an impact on the Spanish festivals, making them offer less value for money. But ironically, the best festival I've been to (Sziget, which is offering the best value for money in my opinion) has to pay 27% VAT over its tickets, much more than anywhere else in Europe.

[nicklibertine]

First post - hi all

Me and my girlfriend are likely heading to Beni for the first time next year, we're thinking of staying in a hotel in Oropesa Del Mar for 5 days then going to Barcelona for a couple more. That way even if the festival does go belly up, we'll get our money back for the tickets and still have a decent holiday. Is it that easy getting to/from Oropesa to Beni every day? Seen a few people say there are shuttle buses and a few saying they could only find taxis/illegal cabs and they were a nightmare. Can't seem to find anything official yet.

[gedkelly]

stayed in oropesa last 3 years and never had an issue with transport . WOULD LIKE CONFIRMATION THE FEST IS GOING AHEAD THOUGH !!!!!!! SOMEBODY , ANYBODY ?

[rug568]

Last year they announced the Stone Roses around now.

[davywalsh7]

Any rumours on lineup? Or even if its still goin ahead? Heard few rumours of kings of Leon and blur??

[rug568]

Blur will not play as they're doing Primevera.

Kings of Leon are possible.

[the_derminator]

stayed in oropesa last 3 years and never had an issue with transport . WOULD LIKE CONFIRMATION THE FEST IS GOING AHEAD THOUGH !!!!!!! SOMEBODY , ANYBODY ?

[gedkelly]

Well it's not exactly confirmation, but there was an update last week from the administrators who basically said the Benicassim Ltd is not a subject of the administration proceedings, and that they are actively looking for a buyer for the festival. The article is on our site here.

Here's hoping that they manage to sort something out and soon, but I guess all we can do is wait and see.

Derm thanks for that , i'd read your post on the Beni FB page but i appreciate all the same , thanks

[gedkelly]

Vince Power has bought the rites to the Benicassim festival apparently , according to Hotpress , would do a link if i wasn't such a dullard

[rug568]

Good news guys!

http://www.efestivals.co.uk/news/12/121029a.shtml

[rug568]

I reckon Kings of Leon are almost certain. Playing Optimus the same weekend and owe beni an appearance.

[davywalsh7]

I reckon Kings of Leon are almost certain. Playing Optimus the same weekend and owe beni an appearance.

[rug568]

Optimus is on the weekend before benicassim this year but I agree that kol are very likely

[ghf]

Now we've finally got confirmation Benicassim is happening, has anyone heard any line up rumours? I can't seem to find any at the moment but I guess it is still early.