pink_triangle Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 I voted lib dem in 2010 and regret it. I can never take them seriously again, as you never know which promises they make they will wriggle out of, with the we didnt win the election line. The rise in fees is again another attempt by politicians to hammer the middle as they are afraid to upset their party donors. People say that as graduates get better paid jobs, they shouldnt be subsidised by others. Surely the higher income tax paid as a result of the higher wages, makes up for this. While I agree more can be done to eliminate mickey mouse degrees and condense the length of others. Theres no doubt in my mind that the country wouldnt grind to a halt if fees had been kept at their current levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Its a death knell for mature students. People going back to uni after 30 will have far less time in their career to pay of the debt then begin saving for retirement. The debt will be around £27k for fees and about £18k for 3 years living expenses. Especially hard hit will be people looking to move into careers like teaching and social work in their early mid years. The idea of being a single mother and going back to uni is laughable. Also universities with a strong portfolio in the humanities and with a good uptake of people from the lower third of the social spectrum are effectively dead now. They will get nearly 80% cuts in their grants for teaching and with fewer wealthier students paying money that will have to subsidise more low income students. From where I was stood at the demo today most or all of the real violence was not from students by young kids, normally from the council estates. The violence today was about a huge age group of a class of people seeing doors very firmly slammed in their faces. The loss of their £30 a week EMAs will hurt a lot of them and then the tuition fees are a joke. On top of that the devestating cuts in non science subjects is just curtains for many of them. If we are not very carefull that anger will be repeated out on the estates themselves, it will be back to the days of Brixton, Toxteth and Broadwater Farm. I wonder if anyone else seen the kids comiting vandalism out on the streets of London today. Those are Daves generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 by raising the fees how f**king progressive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 If it puts poor students off going to poor universities, all well and good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Yet those degrees from poor unis mean they can get there CVs through the first round of selection for jobs that young people from all over the EU will be applying for. Take a look at todays job market for young people, its tough as hell and they are up against people with qualifications from all over the EU, take that away from them and, well.... you dont give a f*ck about their chances do you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 good point I've said all along the system (from primary school onwards) is a total mess. But why start tinkering with the tail-end of the process? It's the whole thing that needs fixing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) but it's true. It's another aspect of how f**ked the system is. A crap degree will often be better than no degree Edited December 9, 2010 by llcoolphil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 the good point is that a crap degree is often better than no degree do you think that is never the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brighteyes Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 It is true. I remember when the Record and Tape Exchange shops would only take on post graduates and that's just off the top of my head. I doubt it's the sole example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 bloody 'ell are you 'listening' phil IT SHOULD BE FREE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 It is true. I remember when the Record and Tape Exchange shops would only take on post graduates and that's just off the top of my head. I doubt it's the sole example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 I don't keep ignoring it that is another aspect of how the system is a mess. It doesn't make any sense at all that putting up the fees will make it fairer. There might be some provisions to make some aspects of it fairer, but overall it will put people off... maybe some people should be put off, but it shouldn't be down to finances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymp Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) unreal.... (and yes i know it's on the daily mail site ) disrespectful much? edit: cba joining in the discussion at this time of night, but will write some bits up tomorrow. the above picture well and truely pisses me off though... Edited December 9, 2010 by funkymp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 so what should the secondary schools be telling their students from now on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 If you think that HE is about young people being able to put shit degrees from shit universities on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymp Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) quick thing, it's on question time at the moment. just mentioned that the poorest 25% of students will actually pay less now... Edited December 9, 2010 by funkymp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Monkey Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Tomorrow's Daily Fail headline has Camilla on the the front with the headline: "PURE TERROR IN HER EYES!" I'm not even joking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymp Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) it was also pointed out how poor people are averse to debt and yes, now, but for a lot longer Edited December 9, 2010 by funkymp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Here is your problem. Your a snob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) quick thing, it's on question time at the moment. just mentioned that the poorest 25% of students will actually pay less now... Edited December 9, 2010 by llcoolphil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worm Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 unreal.... (and yes i know it's on the daily mail site ) disrespectful much? edit: cba joining in the discussion at this time of night, but will write some bits up tomorrow. the above picture well and truely pisses me off though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worm Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) just out of interest how many people from here have a degree post 'labour introducing fees' and how do they feel about their student debt since they've graduated? does it actually have any financial burden on you if so? from my pov i see it more of a tax than actual debt... i don't see it as something like say taking a loan out and having to deal with loan 'sharks' if you fall behind on payments for example. Edited December 9, 2010 by worm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardboard Box City Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 just out of interest how many people from here have a degree post 'labour introducing fees' and how do they feel about their student debt since they've graduated? does it actually have any financial burden on you if so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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