Apologise Now Eavis

[grumpyhack]

Concentrate on the resales.

[TwistedReligion]

Concentrate on the resales.

[123ginge]

Yeah this needs to be repeated a million times to all the justifiably/unjustifiably angry people.

I have got tickets every year I've applied and obtained them mostly through the second and third sales.

Not the first.

[The_Amazing_Oblong]

Trolling 101.

Newly registered user posts incendiary comments on an emotive topic, fuels the fire with a couple posts and then retires from the thread to watch his handywork. 12 pages and growing.

Very well played Mr Troll.

[formed a band]

Although its a cracking festival each year eavis does seem oblivious to its short comings. Each year there is a monumental admin error for example this years pedestrians gates. And more tongue in cheek suggesting that Biffy clyro could be deemed a special guest

[halvin]

Each year there is a monumental admin error for example this years pedestrians gates.

[shevvy]

would spreading the distribution of tickets using ticketmaster,ticketline etc be a possible answer or is the registration system too complex/expensive

[The_Amazing_Oblong]

I'm sure all those incensed ticketless people who posted about fairness will not want us to tell them if they go back on sale or post links and such like. After all that would be cheating and give them an unfair advantage over people that don't use social sites like this. Would be like jumping the queue no ?

/Tongue firmly in cheek

[eFestivals]

would spreading the distribution of tickets using ticketmaster,ticketline etc be a possible answer or is the registration system too complex/expensive

There's several issues.

Firstly See are the only major ticket company that would operate on the conditions that Michael wanted - cheaper booking fees, cheaper transaction fees, etc. You might not think the booking fees are cheap but they're cheaper than TM, and TM wouldn't do a debt-card only system, meaning that instead of a cost of 30p (ish) per financial transaction they'd be a 1%+ plus (more likely 2%+) charge for using credit cards - which adds a couple of quid at least to the costs.

You and I might think a couple of quid extra insignificant, but Eavis cares enough about his customers to want to get them the best deal. That's no bad thing!

On top of that, See tell me that they make nothing or almost nothing on Glasto tickets. While that might be stretching the truth a little, I don't doubt that any profit is minimal, and less than they'd make on other tickets - and less than other agents would be prepared to make.

Finally, there's all of the issues surrounding the registration database and data protection for that. Once it gets opened up to outside companies using it, it would need other costly layers of security put in place, plus the costs of each new interface into it for each of the other ticketing companies.

And ultimately, with demand like there was on Sunday, the system wouldn't work any better - there'd be non-working websites at every ticket outlet, because each potential buyer would hit all of those websites in the hope of getting lucky with one of them.

The system that exists isn't perfect - but it's around the best it'll ever get.

[shevvy]

There's several issues.

Firstly See are the only major ticket company that would operate on the conditions that Michael wanted - cheaper booking fees, cheaper transaction fees, etc. You might not think the booking fees are cheap but they're cheaper than TM, and TM wouldn't do a debt-card only system, meaning that instead of a cost of 30p (ish) per financial transaction they'd be a 1%+ plus (more likely 2%+) charge for using credit cards - which adds a couple of quid at least to the costs.

You and I might think a couple of quid extra insignificant, but Eavis cares enough about his customers to want to get them the best deal. That's no bad thing!

On top of that, See tell me that they make nothing or almost nothing on Glasto tickets. While that might be stretching the truth a little, I don't doubt that any profit is minimal, and less than they'd make on other tickets - and less than other agents would be prepared to make.

Finally, there's all of the issues surrounding the registration database and data protection for that. Once it gets opened up to outside companies using it, it would need other costly layers of security put in place, plus the costs of each new interface into it for each of the other ticketing companies.

And ultimately, with demand like there was on Sunday, the system wouldn't work any better - there'd be non-working websites at every ticket outlet, because each potential buyer would hit all of those websites in the hope of getting lucky with one of them.

The system that exists isn't perfect - but it's around the best it'll ever get.

[droneoid]

The system that exists isn't perfect - but it's around the best it'll ever get.

Edited October 5, 2010 by droneoid

[jameshunt]

What about distribution through independant record stores. Like the old days? Say 20%. When Stargreen Tickets in London has a big demand, the staff go down the queue hand out tickets to be served, and tell everybody else to try other means as they probably won't get tickets here this morning.

Oh and it works for Wimbledon

get the camping out started early I say

The media would love it too

[droneoid]

What about actually having some independent record stores. Like the old days?

There really are few around now. Virgin, Tower Records, Our Price, HMV etc. did for most of them and that was even before the Internet shopping revolution.

Edited October 5, 2010 by droneoid

[jameshunt]

Not as many granted.. But you can sniff em out.

Didn't blur manage to release/sell a 1000 records for record store day? Maybe I got my facts wrong. I live in London and can think of 5 store within easy reach.

[pie_and_a_pint]

Not as many granted.. But you can sniff em out.

Didn't blur manage to release/sell a 1000 records for record store day? Maybe I got my facts wrong. I live in London and can think of 5 store within easy reach.

[Pinhead]

What about distribution through independant record stores. Like the old days? Say 20%. When Stargreen Tickets in London has a big demand, the staff go down the queue hand out tickets to be served, and tell everybody else to try other means as they probably won't get tickets here this morning.

Oh and it works for Wimbledon

get the camping out started early I say

The media would love it too

[eFestivals]

What about distribution through independant record stores. Like the old days? Say 20%. When Stargreen Tickets in London has a big demand, the staff go down the queue hand out tickets to be served, and tell everybody else to try other means as they probably won't get tickets here this morning.

Oh and it works for Wimbledon

get the camping out started early I say

The media would love it too

One word: touts.

The chances of people who genuinely want tickets getting tickets is far greater with the system we've got than it would be by reverting to 'old' selling methods.

[beodeejay]

I would like to know, do you get tickets every year, and if so , how ?

[droneoid]

One word: touts.

The chances of people who genuinely want tickets getting tickets is far greater with the system we've got than it would be by reverting to 'old' selling methods.

Edited October 6, 2010 by droneoid

[eFestivals]

Even with a pre-registration? Get the punter to bring ID when booking. 2 tickets per person. Sales person then does a reg number lookup. + it would be easy to display the mugshot of the registered person to the sales assistant. I think that would be more secure than the current system, as you are getting to see at least 1 of the people buying the ticket. At present there is nothing to stop you buying tickets with fake images.

PS

I know the record store may not work for most places, what about Oxfam???? They could sell tickets + take the admin what See would take = more money for them. And the most the staff are volunteers, so less overheads.

I am talkin about a 20% here. Put the rest on tinternet.

How would it be fair when there's tickets available at a shop in Glasgow but you're trying to buy a ticket in London?

Please don't go saying "the tickets can be bought from a central system so it doesn't matter where you are" - that's what we've got now!!

[droneoid]

How would it be fair when there's tickets available at a shop in Glasgow but you're trying to buy a ticket in London?

Please don't go saying "the tickets can be bought from a central system so it doesn't matter where you are" - that's what we've got now!!

[eFestivals]

You could have distribution to all mayor cities and towns. If any allocation isn't taken (which I doubt) put em the resale. If each city/town had an allocation that would be fairer than expecting everybody to have super internet connections (which I have) I am mainly thinking of the people who struggle with technology.

everyone can find someone able to help them past that struggle, and internet access (till the libraries get shut down next year, anyway ).

And doing that is a damned sight easier than travelling up to Scotland from London to get a ticket, cos there's tickets still available in Scotland but not London.

[beodeejay]

everyone can find someone able to help them past that struggle, and internet access (till the libraries get shut down next year, anyway ).

And doing that is a damned sight easier than travelling up to Scotland from London to get a ticket, cos there's tickets still available in Scotland but not London.

[amfy]

Selling from outlets whether it's oxfam or record shops isn't fairer. it only seems that way because it used to be so simple when that was how it was, but actually - the reason it was so simple was because so many peole who were going didn't even need a ticket, they would be finding their way in round/over/through the fence somewhere, so selling out was never an issue back then.

Some people will live nearer to those outlets than others. When we say "every town and city" - do we really mean that or do we really just mean the biggest ones? What about people who live miles out in the country? Some people have jobs or childcare commitments that won't allow them the flexibilty to be queueing overnight - and with demand as it is we wouldn't just be talking one night, with each year of sellouts, the number of nights you need to queue will increase.

There are more people wanting to go than there are tickets, it is less possible than it used to be to get in without a ticket. All you can do when you miss out is take note of what else might have improved your chances and try to have those things in place for next time. It's still no guarantee - but there are no guarantees for anyone, and there is no way of doing it that would stop anyone from being disappointed.

A lottery would be honest - it would call itself what it is, but then you'd need to be prepared for a lot of people who weren't that bothered either way to get in ahead of you. At least this year it was only other people who were trying - all those complete strangers on facebook - people desperately trying, desperately wanting to go, and prepared to give their bank details to total stangers to get there.

There are some people out there with tickets who didn't get out of bed, but thats because their pre-arrangement was for a mate to sort it out, not because anyone got 67 order pages up.

[Dirty_Dave]

To see people buying tickets on behalf of others is not at all fair.