Proposed Changes to the Licence

[dan05delaney]

"Let's face it, there's 100,000+ people all going to one guy's house for the weekend."

[NeilVJ]

I think opening the Car parks early is a great idea

The entire region was gridlocked for the entire day last year. If you can get 50,000 + cars on site before 8am and avoid a repeat of last year then this will get a huge thumbs up from the locals.

Yes the queue to the gate at 8am will be huge but most people I'm sure will be sensible, and it's a lot better to wait in a queue on foot than it is to spend 12 hours queueing in your car.

I think only the very harcore would get there on the Tuesday with most people arriving on early Wed morning

[cejx]

1. What would someone turn up before the car parks opened and wait around? What advantage will it give them? Zilch, none. So make sure you turn up AFTER they've opened.

2. it will lessen the disruption hugely, because the 100,000+ people turning up to spend the weekend at one guy's house will turn up over a much bigger timeframe.

3. It's very likely that it won't be permitted to leave the car parks to go down the pub.

4. It's very likely that fires won't be permitted.

Be responsible and help police any rules, for the good of the festival. That way there won't be any issues.

it can't be done on the quiet, because it's a licencing issue and licencing issues are all public domain information.

[William of Walworth]

2. Early arrivals will be able to park up from 9.00pm on the Tuesday. Campervan and caravan areas would be open from noon on Tuesday. All vehicles must be off the site by 5.00pm on the Monday. Extra car parking for 5,400 cars will be made available.

[refriedgenes]

1. What would someone turn up before the car parks opened and wait around? What advantage will it give them? Zilch, none. So make sure you turn up AFTER they've opened.

[William of Walworth]

But I just don't get how they will be able to police this without bringing in and therefore paying for an extra days security/police - unless, they charge a fee to park earlier should people wish - to cover these extra costs.

Also, I don't understand, whereas with good reason you are not allowed to sleep in your car when the festival itself is open, why they would waive this ruling to allow folk to stay in their cars on the Tuesday night. Surely the same H+S reasons apply whether the festival is open or not.

[eFestivals]

But I just don't get how they will be able to police this without bringing in and therefore paying for an extra days security/police - unless, they charge a fee to park earlier should people wish - to cover these extra costs.

i doubt it will be possible for the fest to open the car parks without there being stewards & security - but it'll only be an extra 12 hours they'd be needed for.

And I reckon there probably would be a charge for an 'early car park pass', as having passes would enable those stewards/security to control things (such as going to a local pub) to some extent.

Also, I don't understand, whereas with good reason you are not allowed to sleep in your car when the festival itself is open, why they would waive this ruling to allow folk to stay in their cars on the Tuesday night. Surely the same H+S reasons apply whether the festival is open or not.

just about anything is possible with the right controls.

I'd guess that the reason it's not allowed during the fest is that the fest would be required to have stewards and security staffing the car parks thru-out the festival at a major staffing level - something which would be a major and unnecessary expense.

It would be far cheaper to have those staff out there for just 12 hours, plus those staff won't be needed inside at that point because there'd be no one inside.

The festival is trying to open the car parks for the benefit of the locals (to lessen the disruption they suffer, which comes back onto the festival), not for the benefit of festival goers (tho there's a benefit there too). So the festival would see majorly staffing the car parks for that one night as a necessity, whereas majorly staffing the car parks for the whole fest is not necessary.

[eFestivals]

The bit I've bolded hasn't been touched on so far in this thread.

I suspect that an 'all out by 5 pm Monday' rule for all vehicles, is unrealistic, and if seriously attempted, would increase the jams and delays of exit traffic even further ... presumably this applies only to punter vehicles and not to crew vehicles as well, but even so. And what if the site/carparks are m*ddy?

cars can only get out as fast as they can get out .... it's simply not possible to get cars off-site on the Monday any faster than already happens.

If thousands of cars are still on site at 5pm because the roads can't carry them away fast enough then it's not like people will be throwing those cars into the road.

The practicalities of meeting that deadline make it something that will be ignored if all cars aren't offsite - it's essentially something that can be ignored (aside from people having got to their cars ready to leave when they can).

[Okky]

maybe.the.new.camping.area.will.be.for.people.arriving.on.Tuesday.

(my.space.bar.is.totally.busted)

[eFestivals]

I was queuing for approx 1 hour, i had a friend who arrived in Somerset about 3 hours after me, and he was queuing for 13. I know it was a little naughty of me, and I was part of the problem, but I'm only human, and 12 hours; that's an advantage.

Surely the same problems will just occur earlier, for longer.

yes, but that was last year, when turning up before the car parks opened gave an advantage for getting into the fest (because as soon as you were parked up you could get into the fest).

This year there's no reason whatsoever to arrive before 9pm (when the car parks open - if they do open on the tuesday) because you can't get into the fest until the next morning anyway.

Only a small proportion of people are likely to turn up early.

As much as I love pubs, this is a very good idea. But can security legally prevent you from leaving? The car parks are huge, you'd need a hell of a lot of police.

while they might not be able to legally prevent you leaving, they can enforce a rule that if you leave you can't get back in. It won't be too hard to do and won't need many staff - all they have to do is watch for people crossing a point (likely to be a whole field) between off-site an the car parks.

Again, my day job as a car owner can only agree with you, but surely enforcement is a different matter. Esp. once everybody is pissed and 'know's better'.

There's only a small amount of arseholes in the world, and self-policing and security will keep those in line without any problems .... unless you think that Glastonbury is full of arseholes?

[BlackHole2006]

maybe.the.new.camping.area.will.be.for.people.arriving.on.Tuesday.

(my.space.bar.is.totally.busted)

[Dukeicon]

And I reckon there probably would be a charge for an 'early car park pass', as having passes would enable those stewards/security to control things (such as going to a local pub) to some extent.

[cejx]

Surly anyone wanting to park in the car park will already have/be getting a parking pass, so would already enable stewards/security to control things?

[LondonTom]

The thing I don't get about this is.....if you're not allowed to sleep in your car during the festival, how can you be allowed to sleep in it the night before?

[Okky]

that.sounds.like.a.good.idea

you.are.a.genious

[Mardy]

I'm sure that Eavis or whoever thought up this has considered it, but they're going to need a load of toilets, refreshment stalls and all that, there's a lot more to it than just opening up a few fields. I can see why they're doing it, it's not a bad idea at all, just hope it works OK, given that some of these of ideas are normally less than perfect the forst year they happen (I'm thinking of the combined coach ticket/entrance ticket debacle from the other year)

[refriedgenes]

while they might not be able to legally prevent you leaving, they can enforce a rule that if you leave you can't get back in. It won't be too hard to do and won't need many staff - all they have to do is watch for people crossing a point (likely to be a whole field) between off-site an the car parks.

There's only a small amount of arseholes in the world, and self-policing and security will keep those in line without any problems .... unless you think that Glastonbury is full of arseholes?

[BlackHole2006]

i.know.man.no.need.to.tell.me

[Guest]

maybe.the.new.camping.area.will.be.for.people.arriving.on.Tuesday.

(my.space.bar.is.totally.busted)

[Okky]

All.they.need.to.do.is.direct.people.to.the.new.camping.area.and.have.a.temp.wal

l.up.and.then.tell.them.on.weds.they.are.welcome.to.move.or.stay.

[elias]

If the main aim of opening the cars parks early is to prevent large traffic queues in the surrounding area, I think it will work. What would be the point of queuing up at 9.00pm to get into the car parks when you can't get into the site itself until the next morning?

Surely people will arrive at their leisure throughout the night knowing that the gates will open at 8.00am in the morning.

Of course the downside to this will be very large queues at the entrance gates as I'm sure that everybody who has made the effort to get there early will be waiting eagerly to get in as soon as possible.

Kev

[srvman]

i know its an extra cost...but the main reason for the traffic last year was accidents....

this will be unpopular. but. a 30 mph speed restriction on all the backroads leading to the festival, with police staggered out every few miles...

I think it would seriously reduce the amount of accidents and the amount of bottlenecks...

I would be happy at going 30 mph, rather than 0.2 mph

[srvman]

also, im positive that is a logistics problem....manchester united can have 80,000 people in and out in 4 hours.....

im sure its the roads...but surely some lessons could be taken from how big stadiums can handle te traffic...

[eFestivals]

Surly anyone wanting to park in the car park will already have/be getting a parking pass, so would already enable stewards/security to control things?

nope, cos that would mean that early arrivals would be able to drive out to a pub and back again. I'm pretty sure the festival will want to have some way of stopping people doing that sort of thing, and it'll need a different pass to do that.

[eFestivals]

Last year, whichever gate I was using, I think it was C, I had to cross 2 public roads to get from the carpark to the festival fence. I can't see how they can prevent people from getting back into the carpark once the gates are open. Are they really allowed to hold a car to ransom, surely that's tantamount to theft of a motor vehicle.

As I've already said, I doubt they'd be able to 'force' people to stay inside.

But with a 'tuesday parking pass' they can stop people getting back in again if they leave, which by itself will be enough to stop all by the most brain-dead from leaving.

I think Glasto has a cross section of society, and it's arsehole content is most likely in proportion with the rest of the world.

exactly. In which case it won't be an issue for the people in the car parks to be controlled in which ever ways the festival needs to control their behaviour.