car parks could open 8pm tuesday

[eFestivals]

Yeah, as I've said in another thread on this, it has the potential to backfire if enough people turn up early.

I can't see how it can make the problems worse, I can only see how it can make things better.

It will help spread the arrival times, because while some people would turn up early and be in the car parks overnight, it won't be everyone. There'd be less other traffic on the roads during the evening and nighttime than there is at 8am (rushhour).

Difficult to police as outside the fence, security will be poor. This means that its possible anyone can turn up an cause trouble. Plus can't see the other local farmers who own the car park fields would want to deal with the associated litter, tent pegs, fires, hedge pissing, p1ssheads etc. damage to their land as well. Locals wound'nt be too happy either I expect. They and MDC probably won't like the idea of the festival 'moving beyond' its perimeter either, even temporarily as well, what with turdises and stalls being put up outside the fence as has been indicated.

the festival is not daft enough to allow things to be a free-for-all.

There might well be some rules, such as no fires. There won't be a problem with this, because Glastonbury is not Reading or Leeds, and it will self-police to an extent, with security to deal with any twats that won't be told by other festival goers.

There's already turdis' in the car parks anyway.

Stagger arrivals by car park ticket number.

That would be a far worse system from all angles, because it would be impossible to administer.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Will they be opening the campervan fileds earlier then?

If this has been mentioned before sorry.

[MEGABOWL]

I agree with those who say this can't be a bad idea. I don't believe many people would actually queue overnight and if they do, fair play to them. I do think numbers would trickle in though throughout the morning, people who would have aimed to get there at 8 might get there at 6.30 and get in the queue (we're staying at a hotel 12km away on the Tuesday night and may do just that),

However, I think public transport also needs to offer that option. A quick look at National Express reveals that the earliest you can get there on bus is 9.45 am and that's only from Bristol, if you're coming from further afield it's 10.30. Otions that travel overnight and arrive at 6/7 in the morning would be consistent with opening the gates early, and wanting people to use public transport

[5co77ie]

Will they be opening the campervan fileds earlier then?

If this has been mentioned before sorry.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

If the idea gets the go ahead then yes the campervan fields will open early.

Edited October 8, 2009 by Rufus Gwertigan

[Pinhead]

I can't see how it can make the problems worse, I can only see how it can make things better.

It will help spread the arrival times, because while some people would turn up early and be in the car parks overnight, it won't be everyone. There'd be less other traffic on the roads during the evening and nighttime than there is at 8am (rushhour).

the festival is not daft enough to allow things to be a free-for-all.

There might well be some rules, such as no fires. There won't be a problem with this, because Glastonbury is not Reading or Leeds, and it will self-police to an extent, with security to deal with any twats that won't be told by other festival goers.

There's already turdis' in the car parks anyway.

That would be a far worse system from all angles, because it would be impossible to administer.

Edited October 8, 2009 by Pinhead

[eFestivals]

I agree Glasto is very different to V, Reading etc. in its 'social policing' ethic, but will that work as well in the car parks as it does in site during the festival proper?

I would have thought so - for a start, people won't be as mashed. IMO, there's little more chance of any car park issues than they'd be in previous years.

Also, security may find the car parks far harder to police that the festival behind the fence and outside the normal festival core days. The monitoring infrastructure is currently far poorer in the car parks that it is inside, unless they plan to invest in this for the car parks now as well.

The cars will be parked closely together as they are normally. Anyone starting a fire in that very limited space will soon be put right by the owners of the cars that the fire is near - it doesn't take a genius to work that out!

Outside of people stupidly starting a fire, what other issues might there be? None is my thoughts.

[Josie's Cat]

People getting drunk and falling on to cars? Car alarms going off, broken windows, rubbish and pissing I think may be issues.

Probably will be fine, everyone will behave and have a nice friendly time, but you never know. Depend how many show up I suppose.

Actually scotch the windows thing, that's almost certain not to happen. But the rest might.

Edited October 8, 2009 by Josie's Cat

[tazzyb]

It is an interesting idea. Letting the campervans in earlier is a no brainer, get the largest motors off the road.

Car parks opening at 8 pm. Personally I am all for it. We travel all the way from Newcastle, have done it by bus, train, driving over night and last year got a hotel outside Bath on Tuesday night, left the hotel at 7am cos I thought it would be a straight drive al a satnav and take 40 minutes.

We got stuck in traffic for hours. At one point I was even out of the car teaching people in other cars Rolfs court of king caractacus dance.

If this does go a head we will just hire a camper and sleep in it in the car park Tuesday night. Yes the queues at the ped gates could be massive by 8am but that is better then it being queues on the road. The less impact the festival has for people who live in the area the better.

I would go and see what the queue situation was like at about 6 am and join just with tents if needs be. That way not queuing loaded down. Get wrist band get in and get tent up. Collect rest of stuff from camper as convenience, its gonna be quicker getting back in for sure.

We were going to get a hotel for Monday night too but could just use the camper again.

[st00ka]

I would have thought so - for a start, people won't be as mashed. IMO, there's little more chance of any car park issues than they'd be in previous years.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I would have thought so - for a start, people won't be as mashed. IMO, there's little more chance of any car park issues than they'd be in previous years.

The cars will be parked closely together as they are normally. Anyone starting a fire in that very limited space will soon be put right by the owners of the cars that the fire is near - it doesn't take a genius to work that out!

Outside of people stupidly starting a fire, what other issues might there be? None is my thoughts.

[Langdale Wolf]

Other than the fact that there are now potentially thousands of people hanging around with nothing to do for twelve hours.

[eFestivals]

Other than the fact that there are now potentially thousands of people hanging around with nothing to do for twelve hours.

And? Does that translate as: a riot MUST happen?

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Which in itself is a deterrent for not arriving THAT early, surely?

[eFestivals]

Which in itself is a deterrent for not arriving THAT early, surely?

Yup.

Just because the car parks are open doesn't mean that people have to come and park in them!

[Glasto Mart]

If the option was available, I would probably get there early doors on Tuesday and start queuing at the gate.

Sad, I know.

[st00ka]

And? Does that translate as: a riot MUST happen?

[eFestivals]

No not at all but surely having lots of people hanging around with nothing to do increases the potential for issues that could not have happened in previous years.

People have been in the car parks in previous years, so anything that could happen with opening the car parks early could have happened in previous years.

Just wondering will it make it easier for me to jump the fence?

Nope. As in previous years, you'll need a ticket to access the car parks.

In essence, there's zero that's different, other than a longer wait between parking your car and accessing the site.

[st00ka]

People have been in the car parks in previous years, so anything that could happen with opening the car parks early could have happened in previous years.

[paulo999]

People keep talking here about 8pm, but the news stories I've read are saying midnight.

Which of the two options are we discussing? They're quite different in terms of how people will plan around them.

[Josie's Cat]

Is it definitely happening - it isn't agreed properly yet is it? Yhe BBC website reports it like it's a done deal, but that's not the case, is it?

Either way, I'm trying to work out how to get the best sleep possible for 3 people in a Nissan Micra with a load of camping gear in the back. In a field. Surrounded by hundreds of excited festival goers.

[Mardy]

People keep talking here about 8pm, but the news stories I've read are saying midnight.

Which of the two options are we discussing? They're quite different in terms of how people will plan around them.

[paulo999]

People keep talking here about 8pm, but the news stories I've read are saying midnight.

Which of the two options are we discussing? They're quite different in terms of how people will plan around them.

[eFestivals]

Yes but now there will be more people in the car parks waiting to get into festival which surely increases risk. I personally can't see how it would work and think it merely displaces the problems however I hope time will prove me wrong.

I guess that the increased time increases the risk. But a huge increase on a risk of almost zero is still almost zero.

I can't see why you think there is any sort of risk. Unless you have a plan to cause a risk somehow, or know of someone that does?

For detention, I want 1000 lines: "Glastonbury Festival is not Reading or Leeds festival".

[eFestivals]

Is it definitely happening - it isn't agreed properly yet is it? Yhe BBC website reports it like it's a done deal, but that's not the case, is it?

The festival has not yet held the necessary convos with the council, etc. It's not yet a done deal.