rejected registration

[mrtourette]

What I'm pointing out is that you've argued about it for three pages, an entirely pointless endeavour,

[storm]

You must be new here?

[CaledonianGonzo]

ANY people excluded from the festival, for whatever reason, is a bad thing. Diversity and inclusivity is what makes the festival great.

[russycarps]

I saw all of that originally. What I'm pointing out is that you've argued about it for three pages, an entirely pointless endeavour, just like this one is. If you love the festival enough to go and try for tickets every year, then it can't bother you that much. Sure, nobody likes the uncertainty of the ticket buying process but it's just part of the deal of going, you sitting here whinging about it isn't going to do anything to improve that.

You were the one insulting my intelligence, so don't accuse me of insulting you. If you can pick out something that I said that directly insulted you then I apologise. However I originally asked why the hell people sit here and complain and yet they're so desperate to get tickets? My point still stands, no one has answered that. You're still complaining about the ticket process. Nothing is going to be suited to us and our individual needs perfectly, however it suits the majority and makes the system work in such a way that touts are eliminated. A necessary evil as people keep saying, but why is that evil? Is it really that much of a chore and a worry to put your address and name in to a website? You do it on numerous other websites, ebay, amazon, ticketmaster, etc. All other websites that require payment and then a billing and despatch address. If someone doesn't have a computer or the ability to buy the tickets due to lack of knowledge, there's plenty of public places with access to computers, I'm sure they have friends or family with computers, and if you're incapable of typing in some details then I'm sure someone will be willing to help you. Once you've done it once, you wont need to be taught again. Not to mention that if you have access to a mobile or a landline you still stand a chance by phoning Seetickets. And as for the lack of fixed address, it's already been proven in this topic that you don't need one. It may not be easy but you don't actually need one. And if you did, I'm sure you know someone who wont mind you putting their address down.

[russycarps]

One thing I think that's definitely worth highlighting is that - for me - diversity doesn't automatically just equal travellers or alt-lifestyle hippies.

Ethnic diversity is probably more important, and the festival *is* improving in that regard - 2013 was a more mixed demographic than I've ever seen there. It's still got a long way to go, but I don't see that the registration process discriminating against anyone in terms of their race.

[stardustjunkie]

no offence, but you have no fucking clue about the world outside your little bubble of ebay amazon and ticketmaster.

You've absolutely missed the point spectacularly.

[stardustjunkie]

I'd also like to add that I am actually an admin on a website with 5 million members. I'm VERY aware of the details that are submitted when you register to a website. I can tell you where abouts someone lives from their IP address, as I'm sure you're aware. Do I do anything with that information? No.

[CaledonianGonzo]

definitely agree. I certainly wouldnt want to attend a festival that was just travellers/crusties any more than I would want to attend a festival that was all old etonians. A broad mix is what I would like to see. And in the "good old days" it was more diverse I think. For loads of different reasons, I recognise that.

Agree 100% about the ethnic thing too, of course.

[russycarps]

Was it more 'diverse', though? More grizzled Hawkwind types and crusties for sure, but I'd also say there were fewer brown faces and transgender people.

Granted we're unlikely to see a modern equivalent of Fela Kuti headlining any time soon, but for all the complaints about Beyonce adding acts like her to the bill is a way of diversifying the attendance - more so than just inviting along Ozric Tentacles again.

Edited October 3, 2013 by russycarps

[russycarps]

I haven't missed the point spectacularly, those were just examples off the top of my head. You think that all your information is getting passed on. Yeah I get that. But you've done it for how many years?

Also, saying "no offence" doesn't take any harshness out of what you're saying.

I would also like to note that you've hardly given me a valid response, so if that's all you've got then I'm not going to waste anymore time here. I'm a happy Glastonbury go-er who accepts that I have to go through this process to get tickets. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't do it. It's that simple. It's 2013, not the 70s.

[mrtourette]

But yes I agree in other ways now it is more diverse (I actually have no clue about transgender diversity then or now though I must admit )

[stardustjunkie]

You have missed the point.

You have still missed the point.

[russycarps]

Yeah it's not like the old days where you could easily identify a bloke in a dress, thanks to modern surgery and cosmetics some of them are very convincing nowadays so it's hard to tell just by looking around.

[russycarps]

You've complained that people without computers can't get tickets, the people who made Glasto what is was might not be able to get tickets and how you have to enter details in to a website, where you don't know where those details are going to go after that. Something described as a necessary evil, that you're obviously willing to do. Whether it was you that specifically said those things or not, I can't be bothered to go back and check, but you still argued those points for 3 pages.

And like I said, without any half decent responses, I'm going. I'm not going to sit here and basically be called stupid because you have nothing better to come out with in response to the points I'm trying to make. If you're trying for tickets tonight, then good luck, I hope all your worries and complaints don't have any negative impact on your attempt to get the tickets I'm sure you want.

[stardustjunkie]

I am a very empathetic person, but I'm also a realistic person. I know that the majority of people have computers with internet, and if they don't, they will have at least one way to access them. If that really isn't possible, there is plenty of ways to get access to a phone line if you really wanted tickets. It's not the easiest way but it's still an option.

A company can't cater for every single possible person that may or may not be interested. It's always the majority that's catered for. Plenty of things are done over the internet now. Applying for jobs for example, most businesses will ask you to apply online. If you want to be a part of what is now a massive part of our society (whether you like it or not), you will have to find a way to be a part of it. It's just a change of the times and something that has to be accepted. It's just life, isn't it? We've moved on from the 70s, and the festival has changed according to the way our lives have changed. They've embraced the use of technology by selling tickets in the most easily accessible way to the majority of people and it's probably the cheapest and easiest way to monitor it.

Edited October 3, 2013 by stardustjunkie

[Joeskeppi]

This bigbrotheraphobia is getting out of hand.

"I'm not putting my name in there, the AUTHORITIES will see it!"

Yeah, they already know your name, dipshit.

Edit, sorry I didn't mean this personally, just anyone who comes out with this kind of nonsense.

Edited October 3, 2013 by Joeskeppi

[fred quimby]

It's just a shame we cant have the diversity we have now AND the diversity we have then. Then it would be perfect I reckon.

[russycarps]

I am a very empathetic person, but I'm also a realistic person. I know that the majority of people have computers with internet, and if they don't, they will have at least one way to access them. If that really isn't possible, there is plenty of ways to get access to a phone line if you really wanted tickets. It's not the easiest way but it's still an option.

A company can't cater for every single possible person that may or may not be interested. It's always the majority that's catered for. Plenty of things are done over the internet now. Applying for jobs for example, most businesses will ask you to apply online. If you want to be a part of what is now a massive part of our society (whether you like it or not), you will have to find a way to be a part of it. It's just a change of the times and something that has to be accepted. It's just life, isn't it? We've moved on from the 70s, and the festival has changed according to the way our lives have changed. They've embraced the use of technology by selling tickets in the most easily accessible way to the majority of people and it's probably the cheapest and easiest way to monitor it.

[russycarps]

This bigbrotheraphobia is getting out of hand.

"I'm not putting my name in there, the AUTHORITIES will see it!"

Yeah, they already know your name, dipshit.

Edit, sorry I didn't mean this personally, just anyone who comes out with this kind of nonsense.

[Joeskeppi]

Some people are not willing to put their name, address and photograph on a database that can easily be monitored by the authorities. And the festival is a poorer place because it.

That is the point.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with embracing technology.

[russycarps]

Presumably these people also forgo the opportunity to have a driving licence or passport?

[Joeskeppi]

Right I see! So it's about the authorities not only knowing who you are but where you are at any given time.

What sort of people are worried about this? Criminals?

I'm not on the offensive here I'm just trying to work it out.

[UEF]

A glastonbury ticket tells where you are (amongst a sea of nearly 200,000 others) for a week.

I didn't see a whole lot of diversity this year, apart from maybe a few extra scousers to mix in with the fabulously wealthy people from the south east (Russy) and the trustafarians.

About as diverse as Holland and Barratt.

[russycarps]

Right I see! So it's about the authorities not only knowing who you are but where you are at any given time.

What sort of people are worried about this? Criminals?

I'm not on the offensive here I'm just trying to work it out.

[fred quimby]

In reality I guess if they really wanted to go then they could work there (though not sure how this works now so it maybe if they know someone)

My ticket has no photo I don't actually have to give my real name. I register nowhere for it.

There are others ways. But it probably is you would have to know people in the festival, or at least setting it up