rejected registration

[russycarps]

In reality I guess if they really wanted to go then they could work there (though not sure how this works now so it maybe if they know someone)

My ticket has no photo I don't actually have to give my real name. I register nowhere for it.

There are others ways. But it probably is you would have to know people in the festival, or at least setting it up

Edited October 3, 2013 by russycarps

[Guest]

I am a very empathetic person, but I'm also a realistic person. I know that the majority of people have computers with internet, and if they don't, they will have at least one way to access them. If that really isn't possible, there is plenty of ways to get access to a phone line if you really wanted tickets. It's not the easiest way but it's still an option.

A company can't cater for every single possible person that may or may not be interested. It's always the majority that's catered for. Plenty of things are done over the internet now. Applying for jobs for example, most businesses will ask you to apply online. If you want to be a part of what is now a massive part of our society (whether you like it or not), you will have to find a way to be a part of it. It's just a change of the times and something that has to be accepted. It's just life, isn't it? We've moved on from the 70s, and the festival has changed according to the way our lives have changed. They've embraced the use of technology by selling tickets in the most easily accessible way to the majority of people and it's probably the cheapest and easiest way to monitor it.

[mrtourette]

I think the point is that a Glastonbury attenedee database will confirm where a lot of people still being monitored by MI5 for their left-leaning, establishment-baiting Levellers-listening tendencies will be at one time therefore it's easier to drop the bomb on a single place rather than chasing these people around the country. Budget cuts and all that.

[Joeskeppi]

read the thread

Edited October 3, 2013 by Joeskeppi

[russycarps]

I have, twice now. You keep talking about the people who "made the festival". Who the hell are these people and why are they terrified of people knowing where they are.

This is a sumnmary of your points up to page 4:

- MrToutette likes rules and he obeys every rule ever.

- People who like the BBC big weekend shouldn't be allowed to go. Because of the registration process, there will be more these people.

- The registration process means "a lot" of people don't go as it was the final nail. - No clue as to whom these people are yet.

- Some people don't like putting their names and addresses onto a database - Still no clue as to who.

- Some people live far too chaotic lives to possibly be able to register for something.

- The festival is full of highly organised administrators - ok...

- Aha, here's the clue. transient, no fixed abode types. Again, who are these people? Criminals? Illegal immigrants? Romany types? Are there really "swathes" of these people? or more like say, 10?

At some point you may have to accept that's it's not peoples perception that's the problem but your inability to make your point understandable.

From what I can gather, your point is the festival was founded and created by people who have no fixed abode, no PC access and a phobia of some mysterious "authorities" knowing where they are, and now it's out of order that these people can't go.

Edited October 3, 2013 by russycarps

[UEF]

I'd argue that in its earlier days, Glastonbury was probably about the least diverse it's ever been. It all depends on your viewpoint.

[fred quimby]

Everyone has their own "final nail" I'm sure.

[UEF]

My final nail in the coffin will come when I have to spend much longer than I did last year queueing to get in... fuck the big brother state, Glasto needs to get its own house in order there...

[Joeskeppi]

Did people drop out of glastonbury after the registration was implemented for whatever reason? Yes

[Guest]

Did they? Who? Why?

This is what I'm questioning, you keep referring to these mysterious people that live off record and don't want the authorities to know who or where they are. Who the hell are these people?

Then you refer to people who live far too chaotic lives to register? Jesus who are these people? Syrians? It takes about 30 seconds.

[russycarps]

very trueI

would hazard a guess that it's very small amount due to the registraion system

Edited October 3, 2013 by russycarps

[Joeskeppi]

just proving you haven't read the thread

again

[russycarps]

It's not that hard Joe.

Some people (e.g. travelers are unhappy (for whatever reason - it's their prerogative) with having their details on a database. Ergo, there are less (hardly any) travelers at Glastonbury than there used to be because they can't get a ticket without registering. This means the general population there is less diverse. Russy thinks that a less diverse population at Glastonbury is a bad thing.

That's it.

[russycarps]

Similarly some people stopped going when the fence went up. People who used to buy tickets, but they just didnt think the fence was in keeping with what glastonbury was all about. That was their final nail. Fair play.

So the fence too can be considered a necessay evil in my opinion. I certainly dont celebrate it

Edited October 3, 2013 by russycarps

[UEF]

Similarly some people stopped going when the fence went up. People who used to buy tickets, but they just didnt think the fence was in keeping with what glastonbury was all about. That was their final nail. Fair play.

So the fence too can be considered a necessay evil in my opinion. I certainly dont celebrate it

[Guest]

I think the problem is that I have read the thread, hence my last 2 posts are a summary of everythign in it.

"You haven't read the thread" as a counter argument really isn't working. As evidenced by the inabiity to state clearly the point being made.

[russycarps]

I always think in life it's more prudent to make a change or shut up, but not just complain.

When it got to the point where more people were jumping over the side rather than coming in with a ticket, what should Glasto have done about it? Ignored it?

[Joeskeppi]

It's not even only travellers. It's just people who generally think that they shouldnt have to subscribe to a database to get a glastonbury ticket as they think it goes against everything glastonbury used to be about.

Normal law abiding people, that just dont like the big brother type culture.

I get their point of view completely. They just dont want to go to an event where you have to register.

I'm not sure what label you want to give people like that. But I like those sorts of people and it's a real shame they gave the festival up

Edited October 3, 2013 by Joeskeppi

[russycarps]

Well I guess this is where I'm stuggling. They're giving up the festival for no reason whatsoever. There is no big brother, their name and address are known and held in thousands of places and thousands of databases. Out of interest, how many of these people do you know? What do they do for a living?

The only valid point I can understand about a glastonbury ticket in particular is the point you made about that also giving away their location at any given time, but aside from criminal masterminds and illegal immigrants I'm not sure who those people are.

Because it's incomprehensible, I don't think these people exist if I'm honest. I'd be fascinated to talk to someone like this and find out exactly what their reasoning is, which is what I'm trying to do with you two but not having much success.

Edited October 3, 2013 by russycarps

[Joeskeppi]

I've spent 2 pages asking you to open it. I want to understand, privacy of peoples data is a big part of my day job, I find this all very interesting, but you refuse to answer any of my questions.

[russycarps]

I've spent 2 pages asking you to open it. I want to understand, privacy of peoples data is a big part of my day job, I find this all very interesting, but you refuse to answer any of my questions.

[CaledonianGonzo]

The number of people who used to attend in the 1970s and 1980s but now don't because of ideological opposition to the idea of fences and registering for tickets is probably dwarved by the numbers who no longer go because they're knocking on a bit and can't be arsed camping out for 5 days to see music that they're no longer interested in.

[Guest]

Because it's incomprehensible, I don't think these people exist if I'm honest. I'd be fascinated to talk to someone like this and find out exactly what their reasoning is, which is what I'm trying to do with you two but not having much success.

Edited October 3, 2013 by tonyblair

[russycarps]

The number of people who used to attend in the 1970s and 1980s but now don't because of ideological opposition to the idea of fences and registering for tickets is probably dwarved by the numbers who no longer go because they're knocking on a bit and can't be arsed camping out for 5 days to see music that they're no longer interested in.

[5co77ie]

Hawkwind was the final straw......