Tesco getting free workers

[kaosmark2]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/16/work-free-tesco-job-advert?INTCMP=SRCH

In order to get Job Seeker's Allowance, people will have to work. But not just in volunteer schemes and ways to get them into work, night shifts at corporate giants - paid by the taxpayer not the firms.

[eFestivals]

it's even worse for the disabled - there's no time limit on how long they'll be forced to work for free. It's all over today's papers.

Meanwhile the blue chips continue to post record profits.

This is the biggest robbery in history.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I am all in favour of doing something voluntary when on the dole but fucking quaking shelves at night is taking the piss. The c**ts state that the people will be taken on afterwards. My arse. How is a 6 week "work experience " going to help get you a job?

[eFestivals]

here's that article on no time limit for forced work for the disabled:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/feb/16/disabled-unpaid-work-benefit-cuts

I'm absolutely astounded at how far the tories are going, and how so many people of similar mindset to Barry think there's little wrong with so many of the things the tories are doing.

[nightcrawler13]

i don't know enough about it really, but from working in insurance I would say 20% of the people i speak to don't work and half of them are 'disabled'. Now I'm obviously not a doctor, but some of these people tell me things along the lines of not having worked in 20 years, but still drive, mention things like football, holidays, skiing... Maybe the scheme will go for these sorts of disabled people, the ones who it seems are ok to work?

I can't imagine people in wheelchairs being made to stack shelves....

(also, think it's disgusting that Tesco is getting free work when small business' who cannot afford to employ extra staff could make use of them)

[The Nal]

Tesco have been doing this in Ireland for a while. A month or so after they threatened to stop stocking Irish products (as they can get them cheaper under their current bulk buying model), they put ads out for "customer assistants", or shelf stackers to the layman for Christmas.

Heres the ad below. Biggest load of bullshit I've ever seen.

"Days per week - To be advised"

"Hours per day- Not specified"

Having worked a similar job when I was younger I know some of the days can start at 8am and finish at 4am. I've done plenty of days like that. Depends on how busy it is.

Edited February 17, 2012 by The Nal

[eFestivals]

Go fuck yourself and stop lying about my opinion...

I didn't say "opinion", I said "mindset".

And I'm spot on with that. An obvious headline might sometimes outrage you, but if it doesn't you never think behind the headline to recognise that something is wrong (if it is).

For example, you recently defended tax avoidance on the basis that the rich person has already paid a lot of tax. A smarter person gets to realise that it's themselves that is being stolen from.

You are of the belief that Academy schools are an improvement with education and accountability, when the opposite is true.

Etc, etc, etc.

Edited February 17, 2012 by eFestivals

[kaosmark2]

here's that article on no time limit for forced work for the disabled:-

http://www.guardian....rk-benefit-cuts

I'm absolutely astounded at how far the tories are going, and how so many people of similar mindset to Barry think there's little wrong with so many of the things the tories are doing.

[eFestivals]

i don't know enough about it really, but from working in insurance I would say 20% of the people i speak to don't work and half of them are 'disabled'. Now I'm obviously not a doctor, but some of these people tell me things along the lines of not having worked in 20 years, but still drive, mention things like football, holidays, skiing... Maybe the scheme will go for these sorts of disabled people, the ones who it seems are ok to work?

Being physically fit does not exclude the possibility of a person being disabled and unfit to work.

I have a friend who has been registered blind (and is of course blind) for 30-ish years. He gets all sorts of problems caused for him by people reporting him to the social as faking it, merely on the basis that he's learnt to just about cope with the daily chores of life without stumbling around, banging into things, etc.

None of that means he'd be capable of working to the satisfaction of any employer.

Edited February 17, 2012 by eFestivals

[kaosmark2]

Its fucking wrong to see the likes of Tesco doing it... They clearly have a job that needs doing and can afford to pay that wage...

A small business who wouldn't normally be taking someone on, giving someone on long term unemployment some work experience, is what the scheme should be about. Defo helps both the person and the company that one.

But major multi nationals are taking the piss...

[kaosmark2]

I defend a man who had been found innocent and you still label guilty...

Labour brought in Academies....

You might want to moderate your own opinion and stop seeing every bit of negativity with everything... So much so you can never see any the positives...

If someone can come work with me for 6 months and I can help give them skills while they keep their benefits. Then that will help them greatly... But I certainly can't afford to take them on...

The fact you can't see any benefit in that shows you only look for the negative... And absolutely the Tesco doing this is just plain wrong...

[kaosmark2]

Isn't that what I was getting at?

[kaosmark2]

You bet...

You do realise the expense associated with taking someone on ? Employers National Insurance is a fucking nightmare cost...

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I am self employed. I may get in touch with the Dole office for someone to help me out on those every day tasks like making the tea and wiping my arse.

Edited February 17, 2012 by Rufus Gwertigan

[eFestivals]

I defend a man who had been found innocent and you still label guilty...

Labour brought in Academies....

You might want to moderate your own opinion and stop seeing every bit of negativity with everything... So much so you can never see any the positives...

If someone can come work with me for 6 months and I can help give them skills while they keep their benefits. Then that will help them greatly... But I certainly can't afford to take them on...

The fact you can't see any benefit in that shows you only look for the negative... And absolutely the Tesco doing this is just plain wrong...

Can't afford to take them on but can afford 3 holidays a year?

Nicely said kaosmark2.

"found innocent" means nothing on any moral basis when your innocence is only a technical innocence and not actual innocence.

Who brought in academies is of no relevance. What is relevant si that everything about them is morally wrong. The fact they don't do what they're meant to with improving education is merely the icing on the cake.

I've not said that it's wrtong for people to offer training to the unemployed.

It is wrong for people to exploit the unemployed, or to cause them to be unemployed in the first place by sucking too much money from the economy for themselves.

[kaosmark2]

I am self employed. I may get in touch with the Dole office for someone to help me out on those every day tasks like making the tea and wiping my arse.

[eFestivals]

You bet...

You do realise the expense associated with taking someone on ? Employers National Insurance is a fucking nightmare cost...

Boo hoo hoo. It might cause you to only have two holidays a year, and that would be just plain wrong.

[abdoujaparov]

Nope. I've absolutely no idea. I was just enquiring as to whether you would be able to cut down on personal luxuries so you could.

[kaosmark2]

I could have told you the answer to that and saved you the wear on your fingertips

[eFestivals]

You bet...

You do realise the expense associated with taking someone on ? Employers National Insurance is a fucking nightmare cost...

and there was I thinking that someone who is such a model of modern success as you and with a joint income in the top 10% as you've boasted would be able to afford £150 to £200 a month, but I now realise that it's not possible to scrape by on (say) £78k when you could have all (say) £80k to yourselves.

It does make me wonder quite how I manage it tho with less than 1/4 of your income. It must be a mirage.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I'd be happier with you having someone to wipe your arse for you than Tesco getting free workers.

Arse-wipers for everyone!

[abdoujaparov]

I think that is the problem sometimes... People don't realise some of the facts...

Taking a £12k salary... (around the NMW mark)

The cost in tax o the employer is £1572.92...

So the real cost is £13,572... and this is before we get onto the issue of training...

So think about it logically... I would be taking on someone with limited experience, who will need training (no doubt on actual courses costing more money) and mentoring (which slows me down) and then maybe six months later they would be at a point where they start actually giving me a net gain... but it would take YEARS before they actually paid back that investment...

So the numbers don't work...

But... If I could get them for "free"... After 12 months I might be able to start paying them... and then a long employer / employee relationship develops as my business grows...

Just out of top of my head... but it could beat someone sat on benefits in that time frame doing nothing...

[abdoujaparov]

Yes, but then you'd have had the wear on your fingertips. I'm considerate enough to be prepared to take the wear on mine

[kaosmark2]

It would look great on an application. "Give an example of when you have ice to work under pressure and to a tight deadline." Having to deal with my master employer the morning after his Guiness and Chilli Night.

[eFestivals]

I think that is the problem sometimes... People don't realise some of the facts...

Taking a £12k salary... (around the NMW mark)

The cost in tax o the employer is £1572.92...

is it really? Then I wonder why it's only around £1920pa for a wage of about double that. I just went thru my accounts for that figure.

Perhaps you'd be making up bollocks in defence of your case?

Or perhaps you've stupidly added in the employees NI and pretended it's your expense?

Whatever, your number is wrong.

So the numbers don't work...

your ignorance about the numbers makes it not work.