Another Cameron U-Turn... High Earners to keep Chid benefit

[Barry Fish]

Chuffed about this...

It was a very unfair policy the way some would keep it but others lose it (£38K + £38K keeps it but £46k would lose it).. If it was set on family income instead of just one earners position it would been more fair.

But I belive in some Uniersal Benefits and this really does go directly to my kid to support her so chuffed it is staying.

I know it's going to piss some off though...

Edited January 12, 2012 by Barry Fish

[kaosmark2]

Link?

It was being pushed through unfairly, but while I fully support child benefit, I do agree with Nick Clegg's pre-election assertion that if there are going to be cuts, cutting Child Benefit given to those earning large amounts is one of the more sensible cuts to make, given it'll impact near the top.

[feral chile]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15977291 Edited January 12, 2012 by feral chile

[feral chile]

Of course I am happy though to still be Getting £1000 a can spend directly on her... It's already paid for so much, no aren't is going to be unhappy about still getting it

[feral chile]

So do I... The two arent mutually exclusive...

[MrZigster]

Certainly agree it was a massive flaw obvious from when this was first mooted not to do it on total family income. Just how did they think people were going to react?

But I still can't get my head around why on earth does a household with an income of £44k p.a. need a top up from the state coffers? £44k p.a. is not poverty. It's not rich, but it's both parents in a job at least.

Doesn't this contradict the Tory objective of "maximum for one family on benefits will be capped at £26k p.a."?

Did Mummy & Daddy only bring in £43,999.99 last year? Aw, diddums. Here's a penny.

[eFestivals]

Chuffed about this...

It was a very unfair policy the way some would keep it but others lose it

even more unfair is cuts for cancer sufferers while those on more than average incomes get their cuts reversed.

We're all in this together ... but there's record sales of Roll Royce's and Bentley's, and the world's first private jet shop has just opened in London. But let's kill the poor, eh.

[eFestivals]

I agree Neil... There are greater problems with what this Tory government are doing...

yep - a 20% cut to govt support for a disabled child (the loss of about £115pm per child), where 40% of the families of those children are already below the poverty line.... despite an election pledge that they'd be no cuts for the disabled.

Meanwhile, Dave Moron seemingly thinks it's unfair that those with twice the income or more don't suffer any cuts. It's got nothing to do with those higher earners being far more likely to vote tory of course.

I realise that many of those higher earners will be financially affected by a cut in child benefit, but surely they should have to do the same as the poorer folks have no choice but to do, which is to adjust their expenditure to match their income? If that means those richer types having to give up a nice home for one that is not as nice then so be it - they won't be the first and they definitely won't be the last.

Meanwhile, Dave Moron still thinks it wrong that those earning over 5 times the average wage have to pay 50% tax on their earnings over £150k ... poor diddums.... and Dave Moron says that those rich will simply find ways to avoid paying an amount of tax that feel is unfair while not thinking that poorer folk also try and find ways around paying taxes - tho thru the necessity of simply trying to get by rather than because of nothing other than greed.

Ultimately the problems are nothing to do with taxes or the rates they're set at, but from the distorted society that has people earning such high amounts while not working any harder to recieve them. And the distortion just keeps going and expanding, because the likes of Dave Moron presents the idea that greed is good, that greed is worthy, and that no vast accumulation of wealth is unearned.

[eFestivals]

Something that is often given little credit is how a family sets themselves up. How a lot of higher rate earners still only have moodiest disposable income levels. Due to things like housing being so expensive etc.

Housing is more proprtionally expensive for the poor. And the poor do not get any choice over the higher proportional costs of their housing, while those on higher incomes do.

Those on higher income need this fact to shoot thru their brains - attached to a bullet if necessary: their spending choices are CHOICES, not necessity. They deserve no sympathy for the position they've deliberately chosen to put themselves in.

Funnily enough, this standard tory idea is never applied by what are mainly tory voters to themselves. I wonder if it's because they're self-centred c**ts or just too fucking stupid to believe that their own ideas should apply to themselves.

[eFestivals]

Such an ignorant quote could be spun around and said to the poor...

In both cases its usually bullshit...

If someone is 'thick' for whatever reasons and unable to earn a high income because of it, there is no choice about their position.

If someone is too thick to realise - as it appears applies to you, from your comment here - that they would still have an adequate roof over their head if they lived in (say) a small old terraced house rather than a more desirable and expensive house trhen they also have no choice.

Do you have a choice or are you simply as thick as 'the poor' and got lucky?

You have a deep seated hatred for anyone who tries to earn themselves some green... God knows why... Not everyone who makes more money is an uncaring, tory voting w*nker...

For all my faults I voted Labour, am totally against some of these horrible cuts and was ready to accept my childs child benefit would be removed...

You are a very bitter man sometimes...

I'm quite happy for people to earn what is deserved by their hard work.

I'm also quite happy for people to accept the consequences of their choices.

Why are you too thick to also be happy for people like that?

You've started a thread about how "chuffed" you are that you might get to keep child benefit after all, if Dave Moron reverses what you say is a "very unfair policy".

You've not started a thread about how disgusting it is to penalise the disabled simply for being disabled despite a huge proportion of them (see above) being unable to get close to the financial position you have yourself.

Yeah, I'm the bitter man.

Edited January 13, 2012 by eFestivals

[abdoujaparov]

Such an ignorant quote could be spun around and said to the poor...

In both cases its usually bullshit...

You have a deep seated hatred for anyone who tries to earn themselves some green... God knows why... Not everyone who makes more money is an uncaring, tory voting w*nker...

For all my faults I voted Labour, am totally against some of these horrible cuts and was ready to accept my childs child benefit would be removed...

You are a very bitter man sometimes...

[eFestivals]

Is it a real choice ?

I have a child... We ALL want the best for our children... Having this mindset hopefully means you do the best by them...

If I have the salary to afford a nice house, in a nice area, with good schools, and little crime...

Is it a real "choice" to say no, I am going for the small house, in a crap area, with crap school and lots of crime...

Or is just a flight of fancy in your silly head...

Someone has to live in "the small house, in a crap area, with crap school and lots of crime...". Why shouldn't that be you?

Instead, you've made the choice to have something better, and then think it's "unfair" that the govt won't help you financially to have the extra that you have other others.

FFS.

[eFestivals]

This is mostly just a personal attack on me and nothing to do with the thread at all really...

I do concern myself with disability cuts...

Are you too dumb to realise that the position you've taken is deserving of attack?

You might "concern" yourself with disability cuts, but you're clearly less concerned for those people than you are for yourself - despite them having no choice about their position and you having all the choice you want.

FFS.

[abdoujaparov]

I think most people mortgage themselves up to a certain percentage of their income... As it goes up you might get that better house...

So there disposable income does increase but there won't be many sat around with huge amounts of it floating around. So when you add in a child it hurts every family besides the MEGA rich....

I think its nice you get a bit of a helping hand...

I do see the argument about "choices"... but as I said, its not a real choice...

[eFestivals]

But you show time and time again you are not...

PMSL.

I am. All of my statements here are exactly that - me showing that I'm "quite happy for people to accept the consequences of their choices", such as the relatively wealthy accepting that their choice to rack up high housing costs comes with them also accepting that THEY should pay for their choice and not expect the likes of the disabled to pay for it instead.

[eFestivals]

I think most people mortgage themselves up to a certain percentage of their income... As it goes up you might get CHOOSE that better house...

corrected for you.

I do see the argument about "choices"... but as I said, its not a real choice...

FFS .... so please tell me who forced you to take the mortgage you have that is higher than the lower mortgage you'd have for a property which would provide for your needs of a roof over your head just as adequately?

Edited January 13, 2012 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

Just because I haven't started one doesn't mean I am not concerned.

Nowhere have I said you're not concerned.

What I have said is that you're clearly more concerned with gaining benefits for yourself than you are with detremental changes to the already disadvantaged.

Your actions prove it.

I would happily give up child benefit if they got to keep theirs.

So have you written to Dave Moron to tell him this? Or does your "concern" only go as far as you starting a thread to celebrate how "chuffed" you are that you'll be benefitting at the expense of disabled people?

[abdoujaparov]

Fine we can all switch are brains off and not consider how are parent mind works when concerning their child...

Give you like to push yourself as some sort of psychological expert you would understand such things. Then again, you haven't had much success proving your credentials here...

[eFestivals]

So you are happy for people who have made shit choices to be poor... So we should remove support such as tax credits and so forth ?

How many people do you think "choose" to be poor? FFS.

There are some who do choose - me for example. I've given up very high wages for my own choice of earning less than minimum wage .... but I don't moan about it. It's my choice, it's my consequences. Society has lost nothing via my choice.

Then there's others who do choose - nurses for example, most of whom would be capable of earning more in other jobs. In the absense of decent wages - even the average wage - (because it's going to the likes of you instead) for those doing one of the most important jobs within society, then yes, they do deserve the likes of tax credits.

[eFestivals]

The primal need in me to do the best I can for my child...

I can ensure you... If I was a single man with no children, my focus on what housing and where it was would be far less of a concern...

There's nothing wrong with you wanting to do the best for your child.

There's an awful lot wrong with you being "chuffed" that thew govt might help you do the best for your child at the expense of the same principle for the parents of disabled children.

[eFestivals]

Fine we can all switch are brains off and not consider how are parent mind works when concerning their child...

there's the mind who only looks towards his own child, and then there's the mind which looks towards all children.

Those are different things, tho seemingly beyond your comprehension.

Give you like to push yourself as some sort of psychological expert you would understand such things. Then again, you haven't had much success proving your credentials here...

I'm not the one celebrating my gain at the expense of children in far worse cirumstances than my own.

Edited January 13, 2012 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

I haven't done that no...

If I did choose to do it then my local MP would be who I should contact... and he is a fucking self righteous Tory twat who I know for a fact would just bin my letter and send out a standard response thanking me for my letter...

I know this because I did it twice and got the same fucking letter back...

So instead you'll just stick to celebrating your gain at the expense of the disabled and others. Nice.

[kaosmark2]

We could have a system that heavily tax higher earners, while offering them nothing in a return. Its hardly fair or right though is it.

I know its extreme but we do have a list of standard universal benefits everyone gets. Its a part of how our society ticks.

One family might use it for nappies... Another might use it for swimming lessons (as we partly do)...

Something that is often given little credit is how a family sets themselves up. How a lot of higher rate earners still only have modest disposable income levels. Due to things like housing being so expensive etc. So when a child comes along it can still have a big impact on the money floating around to support that child.

[kaosmark2]

Is it a real choice ?

I have a child... We ALL want the best for our children... Having this mindset hopefully means you do the best by them...

If I have the salary to afford a nice house, in a nice area, with good schools, and little crime...

Is it a real "choice" to say no, I am going for the small house, in a crap area, with crap school and lots of crime...

Or is just a flight of fancy in your silly head...

[kaosmark2]

If she falls into the pool on holiday this summer I would have to disagree with you there...

Nappies is interesting... I suppose if you buy disposables then it can be expensive.. or you could buy reusables and save yourself a FORTUNE...

I should say... There is no chance I am using reusable nappies