sometimes, I just feel like crying......

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I always though keeping sex simple was a reasonable aim. Mixing it up with money and violence and all manner of things confuses it.

[feral chile]

I think that mixing money and sex works well. Prostitution is a shoe example of that and it works well in many western cultures. Violence is a different ball game but I would hazard a guess that a lot of sexual violence has little to do with sex and more to do with power. At gigs like the the boundaries are set out on acceptable behaviour.

Edited January 15, 2012 by feral chile

[The Nal]

Theres nothing new though here is there? Women, both as sex objects and through sexism, have been used to sell products since the dawn of selling.

We've improved as a race if anything.

[kaosmark2]

At the car show yesterday there was probably about 98% males in attendance... Simple numbers that for any marketing guy...

[kaosmark2]

Or is it more to do with biology ?

We know we aren't the same... Testerone, estrogen levels etc...

[kaosmark2]

are you really more likely to buy one car over another because of the girl who's sprawling on its bonnet?

am I odd to actively be put off by a show having girls with big tits, or whatever, in my face?

[kaosmark2]

To be clear the show i was at was the "Autosport" show... I can certainly see why that would appeal to males from a biology point of view over women... Like boxing does mainly to men.. and so forth...

I am not denying gender stereotyping plays a part in these things... I just don't think its probably the main reason. Men and women are not the same. We just aren't...

None of this means any man or women should be denied doing what they want I should say!

[kaosmark2]

is the whole 'guns and machines are what boys like and dolls and cooking is for girls' as natural as we assume?

how much of it is down to the 'conditioning' that happens from day one when you're born..?

[feral chile]

is the whole 'guns and machines are what boys like and dolls and cooking is for girls' as natural as we assume?

how much of it is down to the 'conditioning' that happens from day one when you're born..?

[feral chile]

I imagine a moderate degree of it is natural, but the bigger influence is from societal assumptions and such 'conditioning'.

[kaosmark2]

Women are cooks, men are chefs. There are plenty of celebrity chefs around now, so why aren't boys seeing them as role models?

[feral chile]

The difference between a cook and a chef is how elaborate it is rather than gender isn't it?

[kaosmark2]

Don't know. can women be chefs?

[feral chile]

but it all gets fucked up with the way women (and men) are portrayed as something unattainable, simply to try and con you into buying more stuff...... "oooh look, she/he wants me to have sex with me, if I buy that thing"... and then men and women want to be like that 'thing' in real life... it's confusing at the very least...

what men and/or women are attracted to is anything and everything... some men like fat women, some like women to piss on them, etc etc... there is no ideal.. I'm attracted to my wife because I love her. I could be attracted to my sister if she wasn't my sister. Some people are attracted to their siblings....

and so on

[feral chile]

LMAO... of course...

[feral chile]

How am I gender stereotyping by educating you that female chiefs exist?

http://www.telegraph...f-UK-stars.html

[t8yman]

Women are cooks, men are chefs. There are plenty of celebrity chefs around now, so why aren't boys seeing them as role models?

Edited January 17, 2012 by t8yman

[feral chile]

because cooking isn't thought of as a blokes thing to do. The concept that when men do it, they're chefs, and somehow more important, or creative (even if it's inaccurate), just seems to reinforce that it's a male dominated world.

[t8yman]

it's still the case though, that cooking is - generally - perceived as a woman's job.

as cars, machines, guns, fighting etc, is for males

things are changing though.... in spite of whole swathes of the industry doing their best to ignore it.

[t8yman]

"everyone in my industry, and related industries deals with more men than women"...?

"a handful of head chefs who are female"...?

anyway, I'm talking about at the very beginning... kids. How many parents would buy toy kitchen stuff for boys?

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

My mate has bought his male child a whole toy kitchen. I wasn't taken aback that he had bought this for his male child so much as in awe at the size of the f*cking thing. It never once occurred to me that my mate was odd for making this purchase. I must tell him.

[Katster]

anyway, I'm talking about at the very beginning... kids. How many parents would buy toy kitchen stuff for boys?

[Katster]

anyway, I'm talking about at the very beginning... kids. How many parents would buy toy kitchen stuff for boys?

[Katster]

anyway, I'm talking about at the very beginning... kids. How many parents would buy toy kitchen stuff for boys?

[kaosmark2]

Your losing the plot here a little bit....

You simply can not get away from some of the realities of the world. Mainly the women gives birth to the child and everything which flows from and to that point...

Women are balanced to nest and ultimately mother... Hence cooking for the family is something a mother will do and a child will copy... Both boys and girls play kitchen due to copying its parents... but there is no doubt something in a girl that wants a "baby dolly" and wants dress it up and cook for it more so than the male...

I don't believe its mainly some sort of re-enforcement from outside things... Its inside a women to do these things... Like hunting, gathering etc is inside a man...

Why should a human be the only species that out thinks its biology ?

So why do some boy want to play dress up and some girls play army... Are bodies are not perfect works of art... Its a big mix bag... Some girls will no doubt have some male elements and some men female elements floating around them...