The Third Headliner...

[crosswillcastyourshadow]

I'm not claiming to be the all knowing lord of live music. What I am saying is that after seeing them at the O2 a few years ago and finding something... Off, about their performance, I looked into it and found a few reports that seemed to confirm my suspicions, and having spoken to people in bands who have shared a stage with them it was confirmed that as an observer from the side of the stage it is clear that much of what they do live has been precorded. I'm really not trying to be a dick about this, but from all reports I've heard, the notes that are played have their pitch changed digitally, with the static/feedback/distortion removed and the vocals are sustained and extended by the sound techs. From what I've been told by friend's who are musicians, it's not possible to play a Linkin Park song live (in the traditional sense at least) without thousands of pounds worth of technology backing it up. That's why you don't hear pub bands covering them!

[spitfireman]

Hi

i've said it elsewhere ....... third Download headliner will be Muse.

No Gazza 20 i do not know, nor care, about the day order.

Download were well pissed about Soni trouncing them last year so have pulled everything out with these 3 headliners .... problem is, will they have any money left for other good acts?

[gazza_20]

You're right.

Linkin park don't mime but most of what you hear live comes from a sequenced backing track.

Playing to a sequenced backing track isn't always easy to pull off. but when you're playing linkin park songs, where the verses consist solely of vocals and the sequenced backing track and the chorus has live drums, power chords on the guitar, bass and synth thrown in, it's hardly something that takes virtuosic skill and hours of practice.

I'm a musician and know lot's of successful session musicians, technicians, producers and teachers... they would all have mastered the "performing" part of a linkin park live show in their teens.

As far as the awards go, They didn't win a grammy for their live show, the MTV awards are fixed, and the Kerrang awards are voted for by their readers.... a lot of whom, incidentally, are angsty teenagers who listen to Linkin Park.

I don't think they're a terrible band by any means, They're very good at writing atmospheric, angsty pop songs with metal choruses...... but they're far from one of the best live bands in the world.

[gazza_20]

I'm going to call BS and decide that sure of it I'm not 100% but Q Reviews magazine Editor tweeting, which was then retweeted by Q sounds much more possible. Also, with The Prodigy they would not need to announce it, it's a good popular booking but not a ground breaking one. If it was Rammstein or Nickelback, he'd have bit his arm off I think to announce them, Nicklelback less but 1st time headliner would've had something to it.

spitfireman's post just has troll written all over it, if i'm wrong and he's right then i duely will appologise. You can not know, nor care about the day order but if you told they were the 3rd headliner, you will have been told Friday and it's bull you wouldn't know Sat and Sun are booked already.

Edited November 13, 2011 by gazza_20

[lharris92]

actually if you read what he wrote in that other topic it was in the order they were announced

*takes a big pinch of salt*

[gazza_20]

actually if you read what he wrote in that other topic it was in the order they were announced

*takes a big pinch of salt*

[spitfireman]

Thanks for that 'festival freak' ........ lets just see shall we?

I am not aware what a 'troll' is meant to be but suspect it's anything but a compliment.

All i am passing on is information i have recently received from a very reliable source. Apologies if i prove to be incorrect but i would put good money on Muse being the third headliner ( whatever day) at Download and Rush being a Soni headliner .... with Kiss and Van Halen also appearing at Soni.

I do care and i am far from bored

[lharris92]

if someone wanted to put what days the acts were on they would specify, besides thats not the point. he has suggested that muse will be joining metallica and sabbath. besides its a bit obvious what days the others are playing because its already been announced.

you wouldn't have guessed that biffy clyro would headline soni this year though would you? but it happened.

muse have basically played everywhere bar dl & soni in this tour, so they will either take a break for a year or do a one off show while making a new album, then touring again in 2013. (they plan to release it in late 2012)

also download needs a bit of variety considering its going up against soni which makes competition for the heavier acts harder if they are touring.

[gazza_20]

Thanks for that 'festival freak' ........ lets just see shall we?

I am not aware what a 'troll' is meant to be but suspect it's anything but a compliment.

All i am passing on is information i have recently received from a very reliable source. Apologies if i prove to be incorrect but i would put good money on Muse being the third headliner ( whatever day) at Download and Rush being a Soni headliner .... with Kiss and Van Halen also appearing at Soni.

I do care and i am far from bored

[Old Mosher]

. . . . . or someone who doesnt play every fucking year.

[lharris92]

people in a right state of mind wouldn't leak their sauces because then the sauce would stop giving them info. sauces normally want to remain confidential etc etc etc.

bet it would piss AC off badly if soni got VH though.

[gazza_20]

if someone wanted to put what days the acts were on they would specify, besides thats not the point. he has suggested that muse will be joining metallica and sabbath. besides its a bit obvious what days the others are playing because its already been announced.

you wouldn't have guessed that biffy clyro would headline soni this year though would you? but it happened.

muse have basically played everywhere bar dl & soni in this tour, so they will either take a break for a year or do a one off show while making a new album, then touring again in 2013. (they plan to release it in late 2012)

also download needs a bit of variety considering its going up against soni which makes competition for the heavier acts harder if they are touring.

[lharris92]

With Biffy, one as someone may have said, they didn't have another choice really and two they took the gamble on a yet to headline band who a lot felt deserved the push. Muse are a totally different case but yes they haven't played and variety and all that.

[gazza_20]

people in a right state of mind wouldn't leak their sauces because then the sauce would stop giving them info. sauces normally want to remain confidential etc etc etc.

bet it would piss AC off badly if soni got VH though.

[gazza_20]

there is always a choice, no matter how obvious it is... they decided biffy and stuck with it. rightfully so with the performance they gave even if they got slated for not being "metulzzzzz". there could have been a number of different acts but the soni team took a gamble that imo paid off. even soni had to broaden their appeal to bring in some punters.

[AcademicPistol]

Not that I think anyone is trolling but in the words of Limp Bizkit keep trolling trolling trolling what?

[Matticus]

my original prediction from the summer was blink 182, black sabbath and van halen, so im still gunna stick my money on Blink 182

[cornucopia]

I just really, REALLY hope it isn't The Prodigy, or Muse for that matter!

[gazza_20]

Muse for me only got away with their headline set at R&L this year due to the album. Probably similar to Metallica this year with 10 years and The Black Album.

For The Prodigy is a new album late this year, early next year probably too.

[Dan R]

my original prediction from the summer was blink 182, black sabbath and van halen, so im still gunna stick my money on Blink 182

[AcademicPistol]

You're right.

Linkin park don't mime but most of what you hear live comes from a sequenced backing track.

Playing to a sequenced backing track isn't always easy to pull off. but when you're playing linkin park songs, where the verses consist solely of vocals and the sequenced backing track and the chorus has live drums, power chords on the guitar, bass and synth thrown in, it's hardly something that takes virtuosic skill and hours of practice.

I'm a musician and know lot's of successful session musicians, technicians, producers and teachers... they would all have mastered the "performing" part of a linkin park live show in their teens.

As far as the awards go, They didn't win a grammy for their live show, the MTV awards are fixed, and the Kerrang awards are voted for by their readers.... a lot of whom, incidentally, are angsty teenagers who listen to Linkin Park.

I don't think they're a terrible band by any means, They're very good at writing atmospheric, angsty pop songs with metal choruses...... but they're far from one of the best live bands in the world.

Edited November 14, 2011 by AcademicPistol

[the_hedge]

I would be more than happy with The Prodigy headlining. Probably one of the best festival acts around today and can be really intense if you let yourself go. Got to be better than some of the same old metal bands.

[Troop Dogg]

people in a right state of mind wouldn't leak their sauces because then the sauce would stop giving them info. sauces normally want to remain confidential etc etc etc.

bet it would piss AC off badly if soni got VH though.

[Steve-o]

In my head, it can only be one of these three bands...

Van Halen (heavily speculated. Organisers and fans (mostly) alike enjoy them).

Foo Fighters (Probably doing R&L, but have never done a Download, might pop up. I'd say they'll be doing one or the other).

Machine Head (Old enough and with enough clout within the metal scene again. Playing ARENAS on this tour!).

I'd be happy with ANY of those. Planning on making my return to Download this year, absent since '08!

[TYLER_4]

With a new album meant to be out next year, a classic band that all festival goers will love. my money is on Tool. oh god i hope its tool