Musical Integrity

[Steve P]

Take That just wouldn't be allowed to write songs about the holocaust, or serial killers, or socialism ... but I don't know if they lack integrity? They just haven't a clue about any of that, Sing a pretty song, make a pretty penny. Shite. Empty, soulless, pointless shite. Its un-art.

[ampersand]

I get that... that's what I'm trying to tell him

ampersand seems to think everyone is the same

[worm]

I get that... that's what I'm trying to tell him

phil seems to think everyone is the same

[jump]

Loose connection and out of curiosity previously when some boy band members comes out as gay does it effect the career?

Edited November 10, 2010 by jump

[sifi]

Integral music = music with integrity.

[worm]

it's not what I'm saying.

[dakyras]

says who?

one of the more frustrating aspects of debating... people who think that because they see things one way, so does everyone else. How broad minded

Edited November 10, 2010 by dakyras

[ampersand]

your wording gave no indication that it was only your opinion.

[dakyras]

ok....

so everything is opinion from now on?

just want to clarify

[llcoolphil]

I get that... that's what I'm trying to tell him

phil seems to think everyone is the same

[brighteyes]

At the end of the day, everything is, isn't it? Just some opinions are more widely held than others, like the sky being blue, and a Jewish Harry Potter being the son of God.

[ampersand]

so do covers fit into your integrity then tony?

like an 'all around the watchtower'?

[sifi]

like an 'all around the watchtower'?

[ampersand]

it doesn't bother me at all. I'd bet half the music I listen to wasn't written by the performer. I never got the snobbery about covers

[The Nal]

I remember when Take That were popular the first time round, and my wife and daughter loved them. I was talking to one of my friends, and he laughed mockingly, saying they do synchronised dancing, and I said yea, like The Temptations did

and he looked a little quizzically at me, and said I must be mad to compare Take That with The Temptations, so I suggested he found a better reason why he doesn't like them

Edited November 11, 2010 by The Nal

[sifi]

the latter. obviously.

[ampersand]

I remember when Take That were popular the first time round, and my wife and daughter loved them. I was talking to one of my friends, and he laughed mockingly, saying they do synchronised dancing, and I said yea, like The Temptations did

and he looked a little quizzically at me, and said I must be mad to compare Take That with The Temptations, so I suggested he found a better reason why he doesn't like them

[llcoolphil]

why?

what I like and 'look' for in music is what I have defined, and you'd only disagree or try and (possibly) pick holes in my reasons

ok... keeping it as loose as possible. I like to hear that the artist in some means what they say. I like to hear that there is an idea of some kind going on, and they have an idea of how to put that across. I like a good feel/groove, I like some originality (sometimes), I like some musicianship (sometimes)... some of those things are parta of its integrity... wometime not though.

There is loads of music that fits those definitions that I don't like though...

[worm]

no

becuase some people couldn't care less what is involved in the music they like.

I've said all along that it's subjective

Edited November 12, 2010 by worm

[Ed209]

indeed...

I was just pointing out a flaw in his argument

The Temptations were shit dnacers too. I hate watching their old clips, and it totally detracts from the song....

it's a great song, a great singer(s), but I mean, really, look at it!!!

Edited November 12, 2010 by Ed209