scum.

[Nedson]

Ayethangyou.

[DougalMcGuire]

It's evident from this thread that there will be a good number of people who next year will be more than happy to spend a couple of hours in front of the computer in October for a guaranteed tax free profit of over £200 come June...without actually caring about the implications, both for other individuals and the festival as a whole. That's just if they do it for one ticket, but hey, they probably know at least 3 friends that would be happy to make an easy buck too, 4X the moolah!

And if enough people decide to do it, then there will ultimately be folk on this forum more than likely miss out as a direct result of it. They will effectively have had their ticket to an event they love stolen from them to be ransomed back to them months later if they're prepared to pay the price.

Happy days

But of course this (logical?) observation is overreacting of the very worst kind.

I still can't get my own head around how people on this forum don't get it

[smog]

No, it was people selling a ticket above face value purely to make a profit who were labelled 'scum'.

Edited June 10, 2010 by smog

[farewellandgoodnight]

As we've observed over and over, it's the thin end of the wedge. If people are seen to be managing to get in with the wrong photo, then people will get more and more confident that it's safe to buy a touted ticket with a generic looking photo, and that makes touting easier.

[jameshunt]

On reflection though more than once in the same thread is pretty desperate

[scaryclaireyfairy]

This is one of the grey areas though isnt it - no one knows if said person is selling it to make a profit. If I put a ticket up for sale for a £1 is it my fault some numpty is willing to pay £400 for it? It might only sell for £100

[jameshunt]

This is one of the grey areas though isnt it - no one knows if said person is selling it to make a profit. If I couldnt go and put a ticket up for sale for a £1 is it my fault some numpty is willing to pay £400 for it? It might only sell for £100.

Edited June 10, 2010 by jameshunt

[smog]

What if no one takes it at the 'buy it now' price though? There is no way to guarantee it will sell. Id rather sell it for £100 than not at all.

For sure yeah I would know that the chances are it would sell are pretty much guaranteed - Ive been going to Glasto for years. Others might not know this though. Maybe they are just happy to take whatever they get....

[farewellandgoodnight]

thus you put it on for a 'buy it now' face value price.

*headdesk*

[Tugger2k]

What if no one takes it at the 'buy it now' price though? There is no way to guarantee it will sell. Id rather sell it for £100 than not at all.

For sure yeah I would know that the chances are it would sell are pretty much guaranteed - Ive been going to Glasto for years. Others might not know this though. Maybe they are just happy to take whatever they get....

[ukslim]

For this reason I think the situation would resolve itself. As soon as widespread word of people failing to get in got around the demand for these tickets would disappear.

[jameshunt]

You're right but I wouldn't be that bothered to see a ticket bidded up above face value provided the seller put it on with a reasonable reserve. It's not the same as £300 reserve with a £400 buy it now.

[smog]

aye. and you can have both. you can start the auction at 99p AND have a buy it now price of £195. therefore ensuring that you both sell it, and no-one gets ripped off.

[jameshunt]

What if no one takes it at the 'buy it now' price though? There is no way to guarantee it will sell. Id rather sell it for £100 than not at all.

For sure yeah I would know that the chances are it would sell are pretty much guaranteed - Ive been going to Glasto for years. Others might not know this though. Maybe they are just happy to take whatever they get....

[ukslim]

What if no one takes it at the 'buy it now' price though? There is no way to guarantee it will sell. Id rather sell it for £100 than not at all.

For sure yeah I would know that the chances are it would sell are pretty much guaranteed - Ive been going to Glasto for years. Others might not know this though. Maybe they are just happy to take whatever they get....

[robalotalob]

If you look at the history of the ticket sellers on eBay, they're not exactly prolific, professional ticket touts. To argue that touting on this scale could threaten the future of the festival in terms of ticket pricing is ridiculous. I'd say these sales count for less than 1 percent of the total tickets sold. Everyone's got a pretty much equal chance of getting tickets in the first place, and the vast majority of people applying genuinely want to go.

[Nedson]

What if no one takes it at the 'buy it now' price though? There is no way to guarantee it will sell. Id rather sell it for £100 than not at all.

Edited June 10, 2010 by Nedson

[jameshunt]

If you look at the history of the ticket sellers on eBay, they're not exactly prolific, professional ticket touts. To argue that touting on this scale could threaten the future of the festival in terms of ticket pricing is ridiculous. I'd say these sales count for less than 1 percent of the total tickets sold. Everyone's got a pretty much equal chance of getting tickets in the first place, and the vast majority of people applying genuinely want to go.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

And in this case, the sellers really are scum because they are accepting £300 (or whatever) in the knowledge that whoever buys it is unlikely to get in.

As much as they put disclaimers in the ad about no refunds etc., simply by offering the ticket for sale, that's a tacit suggestion that the ticket will "probably get you in if you look vaguely like this photo".

Selling a ticket that'll probably work, at a profit, is slightly scummy.

Selling a ticket that probably won't work is very scummy.

[jameshunt]

It would be your duty as a decent human being to refund the difference obviously

EDIT: Nedson awaits JamesHunts modifying of this post to say something like "Nedson smells"

[jameshunt]

edit: double post

Edited June 10, 2010 by jameshunt

[farewellandgoodnight]

And in this case, the sellers really are scum because they are accepting £300 (or whatever) in the knowledge that whoever buys it is unlikely to get in.

Edited June 10, 2010 by farewellandgoodnight

[jameshunt]

Whoa no need to swear! Calm down fella, i'm not saying it's right just that in my head there’s a fundamental difference between somebody putting a ticket up for 99p reserve and having it sell for above face value and somebody who sets a £300 reserve from the outset.

Again wasn’t saying it’s what I would do only that I can’t bring myself to get upset about the former scenario in the same as I would about the latter.

[Nedson]

To be fair, not knowing you it would be a baseless claim. Hence, I wouldn't make it. Feel free to admit that you do smell though as you and your friends would know if that is the case.

[ukslim]

If you look at the history of the ticket sellers on eBay, they're not exactly prolific, professional ticket touts.