Mephedrone

[DiscoDolly]

Ive taken it a few times and never had any sort of bad comedown whatsoever, and as much as i was happy about that , its where there could be a problem for younger/inexperienced people experimenting for the first time with recreational drugs....be sensible, be careful, be aware....thats all you can say to people who want try anything either legal or illegal. its down to the individual.

[ukdaasfan]

They'll of course ban it and then someone will invent something. It's essentailly self defeating in the end. If people want to get up or off there face they will find a way to do it. Maybe instead of spedning millions on banning drugs and policing the borders and the country we should try to figure what it is about modern life that makes people to take drugs. Adn the answer is almsot certainly is nothing much. People alwasy have adn always will and prohibition is in the long run a very expesnive way fo dealing with the problem.

[port]

Yeah well, unfortunately the world is rife with idiots.

From my experience at least, alot of people who take legal high's are just out on a binge to get messy. Especially with the younger generation with whom it seems to be the 'in' thing and it's a potential problem, especially with these new research chems like mephedrone which are especially morish and could be potentially dangerous in the long term

It's quite sad, especially with the wealth of information about at the moment that these younger people are taking these risks and not to mention doing so at an ever increasing younger age.

I guess i'm lucky having grown up with the rave scene in the early-mid 90's where everone seemed to be alot more street/drugs wise than people are of the same age are now.

I'm not saying i didn't ever get completely mashed but i certainly never took any unnecessary risks and at the least always got to know what I was doing.

[Okky]

I'm.an.impressionable.teen.and.I've.never.tried.it.

[Okky]

Actually.maybe.a.bit.at.Orbital....

[Kyelo]

Actually.maybe.a.bit.at.Orbital....

[xlauriex]

Drugs are bad mmmmkay?

I'll be honest, I am a bit square when it comes to drugs, but I reckon that the drugs that are made illegal are done so for a reason. I'm a student nurse & have seen some nasty things that have come from short term and long term illegal and legal drug use

But I wouldn't preach to people about it. Free will at the end of the day.

Edit: typo

Edited January 26, 2010 by xlauriex

[Kyelo]

Drugs are bad mmmmkay?

I'll be honest, I am a bit square when it comes to drugs, but I reckon that the drugs that are made illegal are done so for a reason. I'm a student nurse & have seen some nasty things that have come from short term and long term illegal and legal drug use

But I wouldn't preach to people about it. Free will at the end of the day.

Edit: typo

Edited January 26, 2010 by BenchBuddah

[Okky]

Drugs are bad mmmmkay?

I'll be honest, I am a bit square when it comes to drugs, but I reckon that the drugs that are made illegal are done so for a reason. I'm a student nurse & have seen some nasty things that have come from short term and long term illegal and legal drug use

But I wouldn't preach to people about it. Free will at the end of the day.

Edit: typo

[Okky]

Right.I'm.deffo.sure.I.took.some.of.this.at.Orbital.now.(although.mixed.with.other.s

tuff).and.I.had.a.f**king.great.night!

And.the.next.day.was.fine!!

[ivan]

I just think that the young lad that got done for p*****g on the war memorial in Sheffield wishes

that he had not done loads of lager and a bit of Meow instead.

The he would have just sat down by it and wanted to chat to everyone !

[ukslim]

Drugs are bad mmmmkay?

I'll be honest, I am a bit square when it comes to drugs, but I reckon that the drugs that are made illegal are done so for a reason. I'm a student nurse & have seen some nasty things that have come from short term and long term illegal and legal drug use

[Kyelo]

I think "drugs are bad therefore prohibition is right" is faulty logic, and has caused a lot of harm both to individuals and to society.

I agree that many drugs are harmful, and lots of people would be better off if they took less. I hope even the responsible recreational drug users here would agree with that.

But here's what prohibition does:

• It drives production, wholesale, marketing and retail into the hands of criminals.

• It's a lot more difficult to regulate and control criminals. So you get:
  • exploitation of labour

  • marketing to children

  • poor quality control (unpredictable doses, speed masqerading as E, H cut with Ajax, etc.) leading to overdoses and poisoning

  • dealer turf wars (think of that next time you hear of a shooting in a rough part of London or Birmingham)

  [*] It criminalises users, so they're less willing to deal with authorities in general

  • "My dealer's ripped me off, but I can't do anything about it

  • "I've been burgled but I don't want to let the police in, they'll smell my dope"

  • "I'd like to kick my heroin habit, but if I tell the doctor he might dob me in and I'll go to prison"

  [*] It causes otherwise law-abiding people to associate with criminals, potentially leading them into a more criminal lifestyle.

  [*] It drives a market for harder, smaller, cheaper, more addictive hits (easier to smuggle; creates desperate addicts to exploit) - without prohibition we probably wouldn't have crack.

  [*] It glamourises drug use, by making it seem rebellious and edgy.

I would like to see all drugs from pot and shrooms through to heroin and cocaine legalised -- not just decriminalised. Production and distribution would then come into the domain of properly regulated companies. Yes, companies can sometimes be a bit crooked. But they're a damn site easier to investigate, audit and regulate than bona fide organised criminals.

Legalised drugs could have cigarette-style warning labels. Notice how smoking is on the wane, despite being legal. The way to stop people smoking is to make them want to stop, not to make them into criminals.

Just because something is legal, doesn't necessarily mean it shouldn't be controlled (you need a licence to sell alcohol!). For example, you might say that heroin would only be available to registered users, from a pharmacist. They could get a leaflet about health risks and ways to quit every time they buy some. Their doctor could get an accurate report of their usage level. Even without this, at least they'd be getting a reliable, clean dose, so they wouldn't risk overdoses or poisoning from contamination. (Heroin is wildly addictive, but completely harmless if you maintain a regular, clean dose.)

Legalising the "mainstream" drugs would effectively kill the market for the unregulated, barely tested, dodgy lookalike legal highs we have today. Who'd buy Mephedrone when they can legally buy MDMA from a pharmacy? MDMA with clear guidelines about safe dosages etc.

[CaptainAcid]

As with all drugs, alcohol included, if you abuse it, except it to abuse you.

Every now and then, have up to a maximum of 500 – 750mg of Mephedrone and you will be fine, trouble is some people are doing 2, 3 or 4 grams every weekend, I even read stories of people doing more than this. At these levels the comedowns will be horrific, and there will be a serious chance and longer term harm.

This you would think, would be common sense.

[Okky]

I.laughed.lots.when.my.non.drug.friends.told.me.about.this.crazy.amazing.thing.t

hey'd.tried.called.Meow.at.some.shit.indie.night....

"Do.you.mean.Metherdrone....like.he.takes.in.Trainspotting?"

"No.way!.you.just.like.take.it.in.a.Rizla.everyone.was.doing.it.and.it's.legal"

Made.me.laugh.anyway.

[CaptainAcid]

I think "drugs are bad therefore prohibition is right" is faulty logic, and has caused a lot of harm both to individuals and to society.

I agree that many drugs are harmful, and lots of people would be better off if they took less. I hope even the responsible recreational drug users here would agree with that.

But here's what prohibition does:

• It drives production, wholesale, marketing and retail into the hands of criminals.

• It's a lot more difficult to regulate and control criminals. So you get:
  • exploitation of labour

  • marketing to children

  • poor quality control (unpredictable doses, speed masqerading as E, H cut with Ajax, etc.) leading to overdoses and poisoning

  • dealer turf wars (think of that next time you hear of a shooting in a rough part of London or Birmingham)

  [*] It criminalises users, so they're less willing to deal with authorities in general

  • "My dealer's ripped me off, but I can't do anything about it

  • "I've been burgled but I don't want to let the police in, they'll smell my dope"

  • "I'd like to kick my heroin habit, but if I tell the doctor he might dob me in and I'll go to prison"

  [*] It causes otherwise law-abiding people to associate with criminals, potentially leading them into a more criminal lifestyle.

  [*] It drives a market for harder, smaller, cheaper, more addictive hits (easier to smuggle; creates desperate addicts to exploit) - without prohibition we probably wouldn't have crack.

  [*] It glamourises drug use, by making it seem rebellious and edgy.

I would like to see all drugs from pot and shrooms through to heroin and cocaine legalised -- not just decriminalised. Production and distribution would then come into the domain of properly regulated companies. Yes, companies can sometimes be a bit crooked. But they're a damn site easier to investigate, audit and regulate than bona fide organised criminals.

Legalised drugs could have cigarette-style warning labels. Notice how smoking is on the wane, despite being legal. The way to stop people smoking is to make them want to stop, not to make them into criminals.

Just because something is legal, doesn't necessarily mean it shouldn't be controlled (you need a licence to sell alcohol!). For example, you might say that heroin would only be available to registered users, from a pharmacist. They could get a leaflet about health risks and ways to quit every time they buy some. Their doctor could get an accurate report of their usage level. Even without this, at least they'd be getting a reliable, clean dose, so they wouldn't risk overdoses or poisoning from contamination. (Heroin is wildly addictive, but completely harmless if you maintain a regular, clean dose.)

Legalising the "mainstream" drugs would effectively kill the market for the unregulated, barely tested, dodgy lookalike legal highs we have today. Who'd buy Mephedrone when they can legally buy MDMA from a pharmacy? MDMA with clear guidelines about safe dosages etc.

[Buddhafish]

As with all drugs, alcohol included, if you abuse it, except it to abuse you.

Every now and then, have up to a maximum of 500 – 750mg of Mephedrone and you will be fine, trouble is some people are doing 2, 3 or 4 grams every weekend, I even read stories of people doing more than this. At these levels the comedowns will be horrific, and there will be a serious chance and longer term harm.

This you would think, would be common sense.

[CaptainAcid]

Trouble is, there are reports of some people very sensitive to Meph that are reacting badly after less that the 500 to 750mg you recommend. So at the risk of sounding like your Dad, you should have added that it's always sensible to test your reaction to it at lower doses first.

[ivan]

As with all drugs, alcohol included, if you abuse it, except it to abuse you.

Every now and then, have up to a maximum of 500 – 750mg of Mephedrone and you will be fine, trouble is some people are doing 2, 3 or 4 grams every weekend, I even read stories of people doing more than this. At these levels the comedowns will be horrific, and there will be a serious chance and longer term harm.

This you would think, would be common sense.

[amfy]

Wouldn't disagree with much of what ukslim says but feel duty bound (despite veering off topic from mephadrone) to point out that heroin overdoses are not commonly caused by varying levels of purity - so legality wouldn't stop overdoses by providing standard quality- but the good advice that would be more easily distributed with a legal drug might. The most common reasons for heroin overdoses are changes in tolerance (from not using for a while) and/or combining with alcohol or other depressants.

Similarly - combining cocaine with alcohol makes it alot more toxic (producing a drug called cocaethylene which totally hammers the liver) but unfortunately, legal or illegal, this would be a common pattern of use. (Also - cocaine would never really be that pure even if legal because it's manufacturing process is so toxic)

Alcohol of course is the common factor sneaking in again - re-emphasing that levels of legality bear little relation to levels of safety.

[Boris]

Why is it there are so many informed sensible (when necessary!) people around and yet the uninformed majority get to make the decisions.... and base their decisions on ignorance?

Does my head in.

[plaskins]

Why is it there are so many informed sensible (when necessary!) people around and yet the uninformed majority get to make the decisions.... and base their decisions on ignorance?

Does my head in.

[marktea]

Why is it there are so many informed sensible (when necessary!) people around and yet the uninformed majority get to make the decisions.... and base their decisions on ignorance?

Does my head in.

[Okky]

Why is it there are so many informed sensible (when necessary!) people around and yet the uninformed majority get to make the decisions.... and base their decisions on ignorance?

Does my head in.

[Craig_G]

2, 3 or 4 every weekend !

Bloody Hell , no wonder there are problems