PEARL JAM

[Olivavu]

For those that doubt Pearl Jam's status as a charitable band

[Pope Nora XXVI]

No-one doubted that, just the 'totally charitable nature' of the live bootlegs.

[Cultseeker]

No-one doubted that, just the 'totally charitable nature' of the live bootlegs.

Edited August 16, 2006 by Cultseeker

[fantomas]

(NOTE;Sorry if this is a naive question or sounds studpid) I brushed of my led zep 4 album today, and doesn't given to fly sound alot like going to california? Was it a 'remake' or just coincidence.

Ps. this is why the song could never be my favourite pj song.

[fowls]

The bootlegs aren't bad at all. You can download them for less than a tenner.

[Pope Nora XXVI]

So less of the duplicity please.

Edited August 16, 2006 by Pope Nora XXVI

[Cultseeker]

How in the world is that duplicity? My statement yesterday does not contradict your first quote from me, and my stance hasn't changed: whilst Pearl Jam may be a charitable band in many respects, Olivavu's portrayal of "the (official-bootlegs') proceeds going to charity" was misleading (only "a portion" of one-out-of-72 CD's profits did) and furthermore, the whole bootleg-selling thing was profiteering under the false front of "doing something for the little people".

And for the record, you don't have to be a communist to believe that making any profit, from something that thousands of bands allow to go on/make available for free, is at best a bit cheeky, and at worst, totally unethical.

[Pope Nora XXVI]

1) You are attacking the exaggeration in the perception of Pearl Jam as a band with a 'totally charitable nature' and then projecting them with equal exaggeration as a band that releases their tour as a 'shameless profiteering excercise'. That, you will find is duplicitous.

[Cultseeker]

No I'm not.

[Olivavu]

No I'm not. I'm saying how charitable Pearl Jam generally are is irrelevant to my point - the whole "official bootlegs" thing, to me, is a dick move in disguise.

Or to put it another way, "making any profit, from something that thousands of bands allow to go on/make available for free, is at best a bit cheeky, and at worst, totally unethical".

You can disagree, but I'm being consistent.

[fantomas]

No I'm not. I'm saying how charitable Pearl Jam generally are is irrelevant to my point - the whole "official bootlegs" thing, to me, is a dick move in disguise.

Or to put it another way, "making any profit, from something that thousands of bands allow to go on/make available for free, is at best a bit cheeky, and at worst, totally unethical".

You can disagree, but I'm being consistent.

[Pope Nora XXVI]

Recognise it or not, but you are.

[Olivavu]

The bootlegs aren't bad at all. You can download them for less than a tenner.

[Cultseeker]

No I'm not. I'm saying how charitable Pearl Jam generally are is irrelevant to my point - the whole "official bootlegs" thing, to me, is a dick move in disguise.

[Olivavu]

And in that very inconclusive conclusion you are proving nothing other than your own dislike for Pearl Jam.

[Pope Nora XXVI]

I cannot think of any bands that give away live flac recordings of their shows for free.

[funkymunkey]

That's all it is.

He doesn't like Pearl Jam or ourselves and just enjoys an argument.

[Pope Nora XXVI]

And in that very inconclusive conclusion you are proving nothing other than your own dislike for Pearl Jam.

[Cultseeker]

No I'm not. Weird how you didn't quote/address the other 2 3/4 paragraphs I wrote!

Edited August 16, 2006 by Cultseeker

[Olivavu]

If a band I loved did the same thing, I would have the same negative view of it.

[fantomas]

Check out dimeadozen. They do not allow posting of bootlegs of bands that do not give their permission, and 95% of the files on there are FLAC/other lossless formats (they get very arsey if they aren't).

And these are big, major-label bands/artists (I got a FLAC copy of Radiohead @ Hammersmith Apollo there last).

I think they/the label do make a sizeable amount from the bootlegs, but that can't be confirmed either way.

Edited August 16, 2006 by fantomas

[Pope Nora XXVI]

Perhaps that speaks of your cynical nature then..?

[Olivavu]

You see, that's something. Not as good as making them free in the first place, but that makes me respect them a bit more.

[Pope Nora XXVI]

I don't see why you dislike Pearl Jam so much...not musically, but personally.

[Olivavu]

I don't.