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[Guest]

1 hour ago, lazyred said:

The target is just green electricity by 2030 and net zero by 2050. The 2030 target is still not achievable without massive investment and planning reform

Yeah that is the policy, clean energy by 2030 which is doable with a lot of effort and investment. Even if we only get 75% of the way there then it’ll still be a good result and will make a big difference.

51 minutes ago, Gingerfish79 said:

The problem they'll find, the public don't know that they will be more competent. And the more they U-turn and show no conviction in their ideas, the less and less people will believe that they can be competent

I don’t think that’s entirely the case, the public generally care more about projects/policies that get started and fail rather than a party turning round saying that the landscape is different so we need to x instead. It’s much worse to start something like HS2 then cancel it after years wasting billions than to re-evaluate funding on proposed policies before you get into government. 

[steviewevie]

ffs

 

[steviewevie]

 

[Skip997]

23 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

ffs

 

Fossil fuel companies got to him?

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Fossil fuel companies got to him?

Yes I imagine the fossil fuel firms are happy that the U.K. will use clean energy by 2030. What nonsense. 

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

ffs

 

What’s the Tory policy on insulation?

[Skip997]

Just now, Ozanne said:

Yes I imagine the fossil fuel firms are happy that the U.K. will use clean energy by 2030. What nonsense. 

They've been prepared for such for decades, Shell for one have been developing renewable technologies. 

They're currently trying to maximise their profit from fossil fuels.

[Skip997]

This isn't a game about who is best or who to support, it's a case of seriously trying to save the human race.

It's that crucial and we have got a lot less time than most people think.

Political point scoring or desperately trying to get reelected is only leading one way and it ain't going to be pretty.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

They've been prepared for such for decades, Shell for one have been developing renewable technologies. 

They're currently trying to maximise their profit from fossil fuels.

I’m sure they are but that doesn’t change the fact they aren’t exactly going to be cheering for Labours policy. It’s the Tories who are in bed with the fossil fuel firms. 

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Fossil fuel companies got to him?

Tory attack about costs of doing this the other day probably.

They are totally sh*t scared. Depressing.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

This isn't a game about who is best or who to support, it's a case of seriously trying to save the human race.

It's that crucial and we have got a lot less time than most people think.

Political point scoring or desperately trying to get reelected is only leading one way and it ain't going to be pretty.

Yet last night you were rubbishing Labour plans because doing clean energy by 2030 wasn’t possible. So your post is a bit rich. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Tory attack about costs of doing this the other day probably.

They are totally sh*t scared. Depressing.

Those Tory attacks worked with you. 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Those Tory attacks worked with you. 

They worked with Labour, they're ditching it.

[Skip997]

Just now, Ozanne said:

Yet last night you were rubbishing Labour plans because doing clean energy by 2030 wasn’t possible. So your post is a bit rich. 

Yet again you're twisting posts to suit your own agenda.

At no point did I rubbish anything.

I made the obvious (to anyone with any real knowledge) point that we haven't got a chance of reaching "clean" energy by 2030 regardless of who is in charge.

Unless we radically change our attitude across the board and stop worshiping the pound.

[steviewevie]

This:

Opposition Policy Costings 2024 - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

[steviewevie]

and now they can do this...

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

They worked with Labour, they're ditching it.

They changing the funding for it, which was already confirmed months ago maybe if people weren’t so happy to parrot Tory attacks then it might not have happened. 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

They changing the funding for it, which was already confirmed months ago maybe if people weren’t so happy to parrot Tory attacks then it might not have happened. 

They're ditching the home insulation plan. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Yet again you're twisting posts to suit your own agenda.

At no point did I rubbish anything.

I made the obvious (to anyone with any real knowledge) point that we haven't got a chance of reaching "clean" energy by 2030 regardless of who is in charge.

Unless we radically change our attitude across the board and stop worshiping the pound.

You said:

’100% clean energy?

They haven’t got a hope in hell…’

After weeks of saying how bad the crises is when a party puts a plan in place to tackle it you instantly just say nope, not doable. Sorry but with that type of attitude then of course we aren’t going to change things. As I said even if we get to 75% clean energy then it’ll be much better than nothing.

I genuinely thought an ambitious target would be welcomed by someone like you. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

They're ditching the home insulation plan. 

It probably isn’t being ditched, just amended I would imagine. 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

It probably isn’t being ditched, just amended I would imagine. 

scaled back, drastically reduced.

[lost]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

and now they can do this...

 

Its not really copying the Tories its both parties following the OBR. Liz Truss went against them and look what happened to her so can we really blame Starmer?

Edited February 8, 2024 by lost

[Guest]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

scaled back, drastically reduced.

So it isn’t being ditched?

[Guest]

This is ultimately why the funding had to change because otherwise the media would harp on about how we can’t afford it, Labour would tarred with being irresponsible with the economy and people would lap it up. 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, lost said:

Its not really copying the Tories its both parties following the OBR. Liz Truss went against them and look what happened to her so can we really blame Starmer?

the govt sets the fiscal rules, not the OBR.