steviewevie Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 27 minutes ago, kalifire said: Apparently Javid is now saying “and if someone is not doing that, frankly, they’re just being irresponsible, they’re not playing their role as a responsible citizen”, which rather overlooks the role of the government to govern responsibly (i.e. not make grand gestures towards ending all restrictions when it's not obvious the science backs that up). Zahawi saying it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyfool1 Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 36 minutes ago, foolee said: This isn't good for the events industry. Going to a gig with a mask won't be a fun experience. Maybe they will just mandate them for shops and public transport ? As that seems to be where most of the support for them seems to lie … we will see tomorow I guess … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Govt probably spooked by polls, and Javid spooked by the data. Maybe they should have kept masks in place for transport and shops, and then for gigs and clubs leave it up to owners,or have need for tests or vaccine proof, because yeah, can't have masks in those places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Interesting Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 19 minutes ago, Matt42 said: This is exactly what people are wishing in though with their nervousness to drop all restrictions. The events industry that we know and love will be totally dead. 8 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said: Maybe they will just mandate them for shops and public transport ? As that seems to be where most of the support for them seems to lie … we will see tomorow I guess … and this is why certification by vaccination, negative test or recent infection is the only sensible way forward. Test events where they bothered to collect data proved this and other countries around the world have done so too. Another example of an obvious easy solution being ignored by our pathetic government. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Trying to enforce mask wearing at clubs/gigs would be a farce. Not gonna happen, no one will wear them once they are in and in a crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Music Girl Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Most obvious solution is just for masks to be advised in shops and on public transport as those are places people can't avoid. Gigs, cinemas, clubs etc all optional so people can choose to take the risk. Testing would help too but a lot of money and hassle if happening for every single event. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 http://chng.it/J9wC4GRJKf Hey guys, one my sister’s has recently given birth and the baby has been sent to a Special Care Unit but due to COVID rules the parents can’t be together all the time. If anyone fancies signing the petition above I’d be appreciative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalifire Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said: Most obvious solution is just for masks to be advised in shops and on public transport as those are places people can't avoid. Gigs, cinemas, clubs etc all optional so people can choose to take the risk. Testing would help too but a lot of money and hassle if happening for every single event. That's basically what pre-mass vaccination normality looks like here. Masks are mandated (not just advised) on public transport and in shops. Everywhere else, it's at the discretion of the individual. That seems to be the sweet spot that most people follow (you always get the people who refuse, but they're very much the minority). What the state government here didn't do was send mixed messages, do u-turns and basically fuck up the communication as has happened in the UK. If the government are saying citizens are irresponsible not to wear masks in particular situations, it follows that the government are irresponsible not to mandate it in those situations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Ozanne said: http://chng.it/J9wC4GRJKf Hey guys, one my sister’s has recently given birth and the baby has been sent to a Special Care Unit but due to COVID rules the parents can’t be together all the time. If anyone fancies signing the petition above I’d be appreciative. Ridiculous rules with zero common sense. Like the, you can only catch covid if you're standing up nonsense. Signed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jannybruck Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Sat on a train and just watched football fans get on a train on the opposite platform to head to London. Rammed, standing room only. Mask usage probably about 10%. It's absolutely over for a huge amount of people now, whether 'we' like it or not. The personal responsibility angle isn't going to wash with people who've barely put up with wearing one for the past year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 This is a good thread with suggestions on the way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, jannybruck said: Sat on a train and just watched football fans get on a train on the opposite platform to head to London. Rammed, standing room only. Mask usage probably about 10%. It's absolutely over for a huge amount of people now, whether 'we' like it or not. The personal responsibility angle isn't going to wash with people who've barely put up with wearing one for the past year. Football geezers aren't going to be wearing masks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedra Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 I have been double vaccinated and am over 60yrs so will take necessary precautions- if I am in crowded places/tents/ transport inside then will probably mask up still whilst cases still rocketing. My colleagues sister is a teacher, been double jabbed and still got COVID and is poorly, her husband has cancer too but treatment delayed due to backlog. My friend had it back in January and still gets painful breathing when doing exercise and he was fit and healthy. If you take responsibility for yourself to mitigate infection then others benefit too but there are no guarantees with this thing unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jannybruck Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, steviewevie said: Football geezers aren't going to be wearing masks. Yeah, and 'football geezers' are still a huge portion of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, jannybruck said: Yeah, and 'football geezers' are still a huge portion of the country. Lots of macho peer pressure though. Probably very different when on their own or with their families. I was using tram in Manchester yesterday and most people still wearing masks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 Face coverings to remain in some indoor settings by law in Wales. It seems such an obvious move for the whole of the UK but sadly in England we have this dumpster fire of a Tory government running things. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Ozanne said: Face coverings to remain in some indoor settings by law in Wales. It seems such an obvious move for the whole of the UK but sadly in England we have this dumpster fire of a Tory government running things. Johnson was under pressure from his own backbenchers though, and masks have become an emblem of state control which upsets the libertarians so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matt42 Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Nobody Interesting said: and this is why certification by vaccination, negative test or recent infection is the only sensible way forward. Test events where they bothered to collect data proved this and other countries around the world have done so too. Another example of an obvious easy solution being ignored by our pathetic government. I think what we can agree on is I don’t actually have a problem with vaccine passports. I think they will become essential if anyone is travelling to a country with a bad infection rate and low vaccine up take. I think what we can also agree on is that measures which will make things seriously hard for mass gatherings to go ahead should be rejected if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, steviewevie said: Johnson was under pressure from his own backbenchers though, and masks have become an emblem of state control which upsets the libertarians so much. Just like Cameron under pressure from his own backbenchers called the EU referendum then look what happened. There’s a theme here… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Matt42 said: I think what we can agree on is I don’t actually have a problem with vaccine passports. I think they will become essential if anyone is travelling to a country with a bad infection rate and low vaccine up take. I think what we can also agree on is that measures which will make things seriously hard for mass gatherings to go ahead should be rejected if possible. My concern at the moment is this "personal responsibility" - "expected" to wear a mask in crowded spaces, labour calling for "social distancing where possible" and PHE advisor telling us to be careful with our social contacts, all on one morning's news Personal responsibility (and corporate) under those settings is to not put those events on in the first place if you follow the logic through. I'd still be shocked if we get through the winter without them being shut down. I just feel they know the NHS is fucked and they'll likely need to reimpose restrictions in winter so they're setting it up so they can blame the public for not being responsible enough if their gamble doesn't pay off I honestly think we'll be back to rule of 6 and no events for winter. And people will just take it (even ask for it) and blame the unvaccinated and unmasked like good little citizens. Probably a little bit of blame for the festivals and gigs that do manage to go ahead too, given the general public opinion towards them anyway Edited July 11, 2021 by efcfanwirral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertProsineckisLighter Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 55 minutes ago, Ozanne said: Face coverings to remain in some indoor settings by law in Wales. It seems such an obvious move for the whole of the UK but sadly in England we have this dumpster fire of a Tory government running things. It's easy to say when your not the person who's business is impacted by it though isnt it? Why is it ok, to wear masks for the sake of others but it's selfish to support opening up despite the benefits to others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Interesting Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Matt42 said: I think what we can agree on is I don’t actually have a problem with vaccine passports. I think they will become essential if anyone is travelling to a country with a bad infection rate and low vaccine up take. I think what we can also agree on is that measures which will make things seriously hard for mass gatherings to go ahead should be rejected if possible. Mass gatherings with certification that covers tests, immunity or vaccination should be easy - as all 3 are on the NHS app and can be scanned on entry with a QR code so little or no hold up as they have to scan tickets anyway. I would rather they did not have to but given a choice of no event or this then I choose this every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 21 minutes ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said: It's easy to say when your not the person who's business is impacted by it though isnt it? Why is it ok, to wear masks for the sake of others but it's selfish to support opening up despite the benefits to others? I want to know when it was decided masks can save us from covid. We been using them for over a year now and it's never stopped a wave. Like masks or no masks on the 19th is going to make any real difference... Now if they issued everyone free FFP3 masks or whatever one was proven to work. Then that's a different matter. All this palaver over useless masks is tiresome now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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