E-gigs and vapes in tents

[stardustjunkie]

I know one place where the guy selling flat lemonade (inside a tent) smokes a joint. He was completely out of it when I tried to buy a drink from him, I ended up with flat lemonade and that was such a waste of money, horrible stuff.

[eFestivals]

whatever you do, NEVER buy from Clearmist (who also trade on Amazon) - they'll send you an inferior product instead of the premium branded product you've ordered, and then they'll bullshit you about what they've done.

[The Nal]

whatever you do, NEVER buy from Clearmist (who also trade on Amazon) - they'll send you an inferior product instead of the premium branded product you've ordered, and then they'll bullshit you about what they've done.

Just buy a pack of cigarettes instead. They're cheaper and more widely available.

[jeffie]

In one particular tent at Glastonbury, a small venue but I won't name it here, no smoking ban is ever enforced. The chap who runs it (top bloke) takes the view that when smoking was still allowed in tents, the 'cannabis is illegal' law was never enforced. Therefore now that smoking tobacco is illegal, why should that law be enforced?

After hours in particular his tent is often a lovely fug of very stoned people.

Oh go on, PM me lol

[neil999]

Legality argument irrelevant their land their rules

[5co77ie]

I tend to disagree. There are two issues here:

1) The impression that it gives to others. Say younger people who don't know the difference and think that the smoking thing is then cool because they have seen you doing it.

2) The remnants that are being given off to others.

Regarding the regulations and your own health, well that's your choice but you can't do things that either directly or indirectly affect others.

With regard to the the remnants of the smoke. Think of it this way, knowing that it's not just vapour, otherwise you'd not be smoking it, would you blow the smoke into a baby's basket? I'm sure every reasonable person would answer "No of course not". Then you must agree that there is a doubt in your mind about the remnants of the e-cigarette and consequently you can understand why others might not want people to vape next to them.

To be clear, I'm all for vaping, I think it's wonderful and regardless of any findings about the health implications, I'm sure they'll be better then real cigs and if it helps people move of them, all the better.

*cough *cough

http://reason.com/blog/2015/03/04/study-confirms-that-e-cigarettes-generat

That's almost the same as the total amount of HPHCs (0.16 milligram) found in 99 puffs of air.

Edited March 13, 2015 by 5co77ie

[mikeb]

... and also in the interests of providing a balanced/alternative set of opinions/facts to try and dispel some of the usual PC brigade BS often bandied around:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huvPuCYoBGs

Also, not EVERYONE vapes nicotine so the whole argument of "must be a residue containing well known toxic substances" does not necessarily apply either. The raw constituents of e-liquid can be found in a wide variety of normal food products that (almost) everyone eats/drinks quite frequently and are used in several medicinal devices etc.including I believe some Asthma (or similar) inhalers ! Loads and loads of misinformation frequently bandied around to imply "but it's still smoking and just as bad" ... much as there was in the entirely opposite direction for decades of course when tobacco was quite falsely claimed to be 100% safe and all that contrary to clear evidence proving otherwise !

I despair at the growing trend for the PC stylee banning of vaping and/or forcing users to join the 'real' smokers etc based on no evidence and no legal justification whatsoever. Sure, a venue can employ the 'my game my rules' policy but most seem to do so in such a deliberately poor, non-informed and hit 'n' miss manner. We'll welcome you in and gladly take your money ... but be seen vaping and only then will you (maybe) get told that you can't do that in here. No signs, no warning, just depends on whether there's a li'l hitler on duty to make their feelings known to punters ! If venues want to ban vaping then fine, but signs on the door and all that. It's crazy that multiple signs proclaiming that you can't illegally smoke tobacco products or consume illegal drugs on the premises are always seen in abundance but never any signs saying that vaping perfectly legally is actually banned And don't try to sell the bl**dy things in the foyer when they're banned inside either !!!

A bit of a rant and not strictly Glasto related but a fundamental issue with many venues from clubs to coffee shops that really grinds my gears. However, my policy is now to boycott and generate adverse publicity for any venue quietly banning vaping by deliberately choosing to not inform customers prior to doing business with them. I would not have chosen to pass a "no vaping" sign if there had been one on the door had I wished to vape and I strongly object to any business intentionally failing to inform customers of their relevant Terms & Conditions of service or entry prior to sale ... but delighting in doing so once some form of contract is in place. That in itself should be illegal, a customer has a right to know all Ts&Cs so they can make an informed decision prior to entering into a contract or not. Until such time as vaping is made illegal and banned in all public places, any venue/business wishing to ban a perfectly reasonable and entirely legal activity should be making their intentions well known in advance. And in which case I unconditionally guarantee that I will never vape on their premises at any time ... mostly by choosing to take my business elsewhere

PS: Am I the only one who finds it more that a tad amusing to see a gig venue filled with vast quantities of theatrical 'smoke' and yet the occasions drag from an e-cig is not only frowned upon but almost a hanging offence ! When my kettle SMOKES every time I make a brew I'll give up vaping (and making tea) ... or at the very least buy a new kettle !

Edited March 13, 2015 by mikeb

[___S_o_m_a__]

Are we allowed to vape with e-cigs or vapes in "venue" tents?

You'll get away with it in most if not all tents but you will of course look like a complete tool.

Either smoke or don't. Anything in between can do one.

[frostypaw]

Get this:

We're only allowed to smoke e-cigs at work in the designated smoking areas with the other 'real' smokers. WTF?!!!

For no fucking reason whatsoever other than the aesthetics and impression it may give about us to the other companies in our shared building.

I'd so complain about that - it's farcical that you can be trying to improve your health then forced to go breathe in smoke by your company. Anyone forcing someone to breathe in smoke would be resoundingly spanked by HSE and some

[Michaels denim shorts]

highly recommend trying this out vapey people, really nice, can flavour it like a normal juice if you want to

the straight CBD vape oils are worth a try also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktc72C1gA2U

[mb'satglasto]

Vaping has done me the world of good. But make sure you get a decent one. Pay the money if you don't want to be consistently running out of battery or having the liquid all over your hands. It feels horrible. Let alone getting it in your mouth, which is what the cheap ones do.

As long as you're sly you'll get away with it anyway. Inhale all the vapour and then out through your nose. Can barely see it. It's not like a fag when it's constantly producing smoke. Tbf are they really that hot on fags anyway? I;ve smoked in tents before and if it's busy, stewards can't be bothered.

As for charging, yes that is annoying! So I would say invest in one of the EE phone charger things. It'lll charge it up and you can go and swap it straight away for another one. Personally thought that whilst being a cheap money maker for EE, that was a real success and they're well worth having for a variety of reasons. The queues were never as bad as I thought.

[eFestivals]

highly recommend trying this out vapey people, really nice, can flavour it like a normal juice if you want to

the straight CBD vape oils are worth a try also

it doesn't work - unless you smoke almost no weed, so that the tiny amount you'll get via this method is enough to get you stoned.

To get it strong enough so that it works for regular smokers, you need to create some cannabis oil and then mix that with PG.

Unfortunately that's also far from ideal, because an ecig (even if using a sub-ohm tank with a mega battery) doesn't get it hot enough to properly vapourise that oil. Instead, the oil returns to oil inside your lungs - which is not a great idea. You'd be better off smoking a spliff and getting the small amount of tar from that on your lungs.

Not that I know anything about any of this, of course.

[Michaels denim shorts]

it doesnt get you proper stoned if you are a stoner i agree, but it does work. it "does take the edge off" if you will, & does not contain nicotine which was my reasoning behind trying out the vaporizers in the first place. to get off it completely

did you decarboxylate the weed? was it strong cured high grade high THC content weed? it does take a bit of trial & error to get something to knock out a stoner. i made a batch with a lot of shake & some pollen for good measure & its awesome

in my opinion nicotine is pure evil & essentially poison in a bottle, still havent quit completely but its gonna bne pretty easy to leave it behind

[Michaels denim shorts]

also the CBD vapes arent supposed to get you stoned. ive tried out canavape 150mg in 10ml in bklueberry, & its a nice vape.

again its not nicotine, its not meant to get you stoned. but its definately my "go to" juice for during the day at the moment

[eFestivals]

did you decarboxylate the weed? was it strong cured high grade high THC content weed? it does take a bit of trial & error to get something to knock out a stoner. i made a batch with a lot of shake & some pollen for good measure & its awesome

it's not me that's been trying things, but plenty of ounces of top grade skunk have gone into a variety of different experiments, and none of it was worth pursuing with in the view of those stoners.

Edited March 16, 2015 by eFestivals

[Michaels denim shorts]

it's not me that's been trying things, but plenty of ounces of top grade skunk have gone into a variety of different experiments, and none of it was worth pursuing with in the view of those stoners.

fair enough mate, i wasnt really looking for something to get me particularly stoned to be fair, just something i can chug on all day, with mild effects that are pleasent, a nice taste & nicotine free. & this ticks all the boxes for me

blunts by night, of course

Edited March 16, 2015 by Michaels denim shorts

[eFestivals]

effects that are pleasent

the oil-y lungs are anything but pleasant. You're simply covering your lungs with an oily film, far worse than the amount of tar from smoking joints.

[Michaels denim shorts]

well, this isnt the general view in the cannabis world mate. the consistancy is vapable meaning only vapour is inhaled, its no different to the ejuices which are mostly made with oil based flavourings, all be it usually at lower concentrations.

i also use a raw rx vapourizer & a couple of other gizmos for vaping actual buds, & you can get specific oil vapourizers, like a cloud pen meant just for oils.

if anything cutting it down with VG/PG is going to be less harmful than vaping straight oil id'a thought - which is very popular where its legal to do so & being touted as better than smoking buds/concentrates

[eFestivals]

well, this isnt the general view in the cannabis world mate. the consistancy is vapable meaning only vapour is inhaled,

It turns into *oil* vapour, and not a water-type vapour.

Because it's not heated to a high enough temperature it re-condenses back into oil, instead of becoming 'burnt oil'.

Would you inhale the oil vapour out of a car engine, or might you decide that oil vapour is nothing like water vapour and should be avoided?

I'm not saying this because I know nothing about it, but the opposite.

its no different to the ejuices which are mostly made with oil based flavourings

dope oil is a LOT heavier, and so needs a higher heat - which it doesn't get from 'ecig' vaping kit when other lower-heat-vapourising liquids are present.

i also use a raw rx vapourizer & a couple of other gizmos for vaping actual buds, & you can get specific oil vapourizers, like a cloud pen meant just for oils.

yep, I know. The just-oil vapourisers work OK, because there's only the oil to be vapourised.

As soon as you mix PG or VG in there, that stops the oil getting up to a high enough temperature - in much the same way as a boiling kettle with oil in the water won't vapourise the oil until the water has gone.

Dope oil will get 'transported' in the PG vapour, but it doesn't vapourise in the proper way because it doesn't get hot enough.

if anything cutting it down with VG/PG is going to be less harmful than vaping straight oil id'a thought

nope - because a PG mix with oil doesn't allow the oil to get hot enough.

If you tried vaping a stronger mix, you'd feel on your lungs what happens with the dope oil - it re-condenses on your lungs as as oil.

Alternatively, try vaping thru some sort of glass body (a bit like a bong), and you'll see that sticky oil re-condense on the glass as the same sticky oil.

I'd know lots of very happy bunnies if vaping dope with PG worked.

Edited March 16, 2015 by eFestivals

[Michaels denim shorts]

the juice i made i use with a rebuildable top 1mm wick & dose it up with a drop at a time, no cartridge tank, its an old vape pen my friend made about 3 years ago & just replace the coil every few weeks, massive removable rechargable 2200mah battery & good for a few days heavy use, it definately clears the 200 degreed C it needs to completely vaporize THC, & CBD would have been gone long before at about 70C.

may aswell just use plain old oil then i guess

[eFestivals]

it definately clears the 200 degreed C it needs

not when it's mixed with a liquid that vapourises at 80 degrees it doesn't.

It's like trying to get water to boil at over 100 degrees - it can't be done.

[Michaels denim shorts]

after googling it, VG vaporizes at around 338f. so thats that argument out of the window

i see what you're saying at it makes sense to me,

read through the comments of all the videos of tutorials, no one has a bad word to say about it, im still convinced all oils are vaporized within the VG temperature points, we also dont start with oil, we start with dry cooked thc in crystal form which is effectively disolved in glycerine. may or may not be the same thing. too many variables

if its so bad how has this not been brought up in 3/4 of a million views & a lot of comments? people love to point stuff like that out on youtube

youtube.com/watch?v=G0VirUkj8_4

im not saying your wrong, there needs to be more research on this i guess, i dont know what temps cheap ecigs burn at

[eFestivals]

i dont know what temps cheap ecigs burn at

Nothing cheap has been used in what i'm talking about. Sub-ohm tanks and big variable wattage batteries - to get the most heat it's possible to get.

im not saying your wrong, there needs to be more research on this i guess

like the research I know of, which has used thousands of pounds worth of weed in the experiments?

You can get a hit off vaping a weed/PG mix, it's what comes with it that makes far from a sensible thing to do - tho of course, the weaker the mix the less of that effect that happens and less you'll notice. But if you were to try vaping PG/weed like that all the time, I guarantee you'd notice!

Everyone I know wouldn't bother with those very very very weak mixes; they'd have to vape too many millilitres of juice to get a hit. So they've tried stronger mixes where they can get a hit, and it's then become apparent with what is happening with the oil content, with it re-condensing..

Edited March 16, 2015 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

after googling it, VG vaporizes at around 338f. so thats that argument out of the window

unfortunately, VG really doesn't work, as what you need to dissolve won't really dissolve in VG.

PG is at least ten times (probably a lot more) as good as VG for dissolving. The less VG there is in a mix, the more can be dissolved into it.

[Michaels denim shorts]

is there a difference between thc oil & dried thc crystal? as the ingredient disolved in the solution

kief hash made of pressed dried thc heads is not oils, do they recondense the same way? im not a chemist

i dont know anyone who has spent thousands on research, i am a mere mortal & only know how to google stuff & try stuff out

so far all i know is all active chemicals, CBD CBN THC etc are vaporized off & at temperatures that VG allows before being vaporized itself. & this is no different than vaping straight buds in a normal vaporizers, recondensing aside

& if vaping 1ml-1.5ml a day stops me smoking 25g of GV every day il still continue to consider it the less of 2 evils