Ticket Touts

[jeffie]

No, but 9 people out of 10 would do so.

Edited October 14, 2013 by jeffie

[eFestivals]

the ticket buyer feels happy with their purchase, the person who was robbed feels violated.

Surely you must see the difference?

Surely you must see that the buyer feels violated by knowing that he's paid more than he'd otherwise have to?

You have given him the choice of paying your inflated price or not going, to something that he would otherwise go to without paying the inflated price.

It is taking money off him for doing nothing.

Money that is not earned is stolen.

[Riggins]

That's a very sad view of the human race you have.

I blame Thatcher and the government

Edited October 14, 2013 by Riggins

[Yesiamaduck]

Look, at the end of the day you're in a situation where people are being squeezed for every last penny and whilst it may not be illegal buying something that is limited in supply such as a ticket for an event with no intention of going is a bastard thing to do and is unethical because you're inflating the market and it only benefits the person scalping the ticket. And you can bet your sweet ass the majority of the money made is going back to scalp some more. It's a dick thing to do, it's not illegal, but morally bankrupt because people are making a profit off of the hard work of others and taking advantage of people in the process whilst helping disappoint others by acquiring large numbers of tickets.... anyone defending that behavior isn't necessarily a bastard but certainly needs a dose of empathy.

[POKERDUDE]

I wouldn't call it robbery - but at the very least I would say it was taking advantage of the original seller. Imagine for a minute you are at a car boot sale and you see some wee granny selling some bits and bobs to raise some money for bills. You see an item you know is worth £500 - but you can probably convince her to let you have it for a fiver. While it is perfectly legal for you to engage in such a trade (and enjoy all the lovely profit it will entail) would it really be ethical for you to do so?

[Yesiamaduck]

I'd punch her in the face & steal it

[zahidf]

^{I agree ticket touts are twats.}

^{However, no one HAS to go to the event they are selling. They WANT to. Whilst they are being ripped off, they know that they are and have made the choice that being ripped off on this occasion is worth seeing the event that they want to watch.}

^{They can always do something else that evening without being ripped off.}

[jonny2mad]

I wouldn't call it robbery - but at the very least I would say it was taking advantage of the original seller. Imagine for a minute you are at a car boot sale and you see some wee granny selling some bits and bobs to raise some money for bills. You see an item you know is worth £500 - but you can probably convince her to let you have it for a fiver. While it is perfectly legal for you to engage in such a trade (and enjoy all the lovely profit it will entail) would it really be ethical for you to do so?

[jonny2mad]

And according to some of you guys antique dealers or any other sort of dealerare all immoral, I dont think they are Ive sold things to people and they hae sold them for more that doesnt bother me good luck to them,

[GiveMeATicket]

If bands really cared they could insist on stricter rules on the sale of their tickets? 2 tickets per person, and photo ID on collection.

Don't tell me it can't be done because Robbie Williams and Noel Gallagher both recently did it for small venue gigs. I appreciate the difficulties if they was playing at sold out arenas, 15k people turning up to collect tickets would be mayhem, but then photo ID could be shown on entry instead.

The law isn't going to change any time soon, and until it does touts are going to make some extra money off of people who can afford to pay 2x, 3x face value for tickets, I say good for them.

[Yesiamaduck]

If bands really cared they could insist on stricter rules on the sale of their tickets? 2 tickets per person, and photo ID on collection.

Don't tell me it can't be done because Robbie Williams and Noel Gallagher both recently did it for small venue gigs. I appreciate the difficulties if they was playing at sold out arenas, 15k people turning up to collect tickets would be mayhem, but then photo ID could be shown on entry instead.

The law isn't going to change any time soon, and until it does touts are going to make some extra money off of people who can afford to pay 2x, 3x face value for tickets, I say good for them.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Yesiamaduck

[tommyds]

And according to some of you guys antique dealers or any other sort of dealerare all immoral, I dont think they are Ive sold things to people and they hae sold them for more that doesnt bother me good luck to them,

[GiveMeATicket]

Would also be interesting to see how many touts get 'burnt' by buying up tickets for gigs that ultimately don't sell out and then they have to sell at a loss.

Had an email from Seatwave this morning saying I could buy Blue tickets for this evening at £9 each. Still too expensive IMO but I assume they where bought for significantly more than that originally.

[jeffie]

Bit dramatic. It's just how people work, they see something selling for under what it's worth then they buy it and sell it. Simple as. We don't live in a world where everyone just gets along nicely, borrowing sugar from each other and lending each other a tenner to get groceries.

Like it or not, it's about making money and if you can do that then you will.

[eFestivals]

And according to some of you guys antique dealers or any other sort of dealerare all immoral

Nope, it's a different thing.

They are not buying to deny someone else that item and then sell it to that person at an inflated price, they are buying that item because they see the value in it, and know that at some point down the line one of their customers will do too.

The key thing you don't get is about adding value, the very heart of capitalist principle.

A tout does not add value, and because of that he's merely a thief of other people's efforts.

[Riggins]

Lovely sentiments.

Hope I'm not camping anywhere near you at Glastonbury, Russy is right, you are scum.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Riggins

[jonny2mad]

I think ticket touting is very like antique dealing or buying and selling anything else , your betting in a way speculation. any expertise is just the edge you use so that your bets are mostly winners but things can still go wrong and you can lose money .

if tickets for a event dont sell out you will have to sell them under list price, if you don't sell them soon enough you can lose money as normally tickets go down just before a gig .

so car dealers are scum, antique dealer, most market traders is that right,

[eFestivals]

Haha, enjoy Glastonbury even if you aren't camping anywhere near me. Enjoy paying £6.50 for a burger that cost about £2 to make. BUT ITS OK, ITS GLASTONBURY, THE MAGICAL LOVELY LIFE CHANGING GLASTONBURY. People rip you off, that's the world. If I'm scum because I'm telling you that's the way the world works then you need a reality check, Glastonbury is one of the worst places I've been for it.

the guy selling me that burger has earned that price, via something which is anathema to you.

It's called 'work'.

There's no sense of entitlement as great than amongst the spivs and speculators.

[eFestivals]

I think ticket touting is very like antique dealing or buying and selling anything else , your betting in a way speculation. any expertise is just the edge you use so that your bets are mostly winners but things can still go wrong and you can lose money .

if tickets for a event dont sell out you will have to sell them under list price, if you don't sell them soon enough you can lose money as normally tickets go down just before a gig .

so car dealers are scum, antique dealer, most market traders is that right,

No.

Read up on "adding value", a core capitalist principle that is totally absent from your own invention of what is capitaslism.

I know it's become the modern form, but capitalism isn't about ripping people off for whatever you can get.

(But if you think it is, please give me the address of your grannie cos I have something I'd like to over-sell her).

[jeffie]

Haha, enjoy Glastonbury even if you aren't camping anywhere near me. Enjoy paying £6.50 for a burger that cost about £2 to make. BUT ITS OK, ITS GLASTONBURY, THE MAGICAL LOVELY LIFE CHANGING GLASTONBURY. People rip you off, that's the world. If I'm scum because I'm telling you that's the way the world works then you need a reality check, Glastonbury is one of the worst places I've been for it.

Faceless people calling you scum when they know virtually nothing about you never gets old does it?

[GiveMeATicket]

Lovely sentiments.

Hope I'm not camping anywhere near you at Glastonbury, Russy is right, you are scum.

[Riggins]

the guy selling me that burger has earned that price, via something which is anathema to you.

It's called 'work'.

There's no sense of entitlement as great than amongst the spivs and speculators.

[Riggins]

Sad,very sad

[jonny2mad]

Nope, it's a different thing.

They are not buying to deny someone else that item and then sell it to that person at an inflated price, they are buying that item because they see the value in it, and know that at some point down the line one of their customers will do too.

The key thing you don't get is about adding value, the very heart of capitalist principle.

A tout does not add value, and because of that he's merely a thief of other people's efforts.

[jeffie]

What's said is your abuse based on a disagreement of opinion.

Please tell me how the guy ripping you off at Glastonbury is any different from a tout. Two people see that someone is willing to pay more than it's worth, they sell it, customer buys it. Same thing. I hope you'll be calling the vendors across site scum next year. [/quote

I don't think that most of the food at Glastonbury is a ripoff. Certainly compared to most other dog burger festivals.