JSA once the kid hits 7

[RABun]

not sure what i did there

Edited October 25, 2010 by RABun

[Steve P]

Taking where I grew up as an example - The lovely Mablethorpe in Lincolnshire - it shows just how difficult it is to escape a town to relocate.

It's a cr@ppy little town on the east coast. It's got a nice beach, but no train line since the Beeching cuts so it's basically died on its ar$e. There's 1 bus a day to Lincoln, and that's it. There are jobs in the summer with the tourist trade, but there is no industry for miles around, very little year round employment. SO people are stuck. They can't get enough money together to move, and so are stuck out of work. It's these people that theses cuts are going to hurt.

[eFestivals]

Its not just about physical effort unfortunately for the diggers of the world. Its about knowledge and marketable skills.

So not the effort you said then.

So are you going to correct what you've said, or will you continue to spout the words that you've admitted here aren't true?

PS: you've yet to show what benefit to the country your 'great' ideas have.

Edited October 25, 2010 by eFestivals

[sifi]

Do you think someone digging a hole for 8 hours a day is thinking "this work is much easier than the work oaf does, so I deserve less", in the same but opposite way as you believe you deserve that extra.

[sifi]

Effort can be more than just physical effort you wally I put effort in a mental capacity... I work long hours... My job is stressful and very risky...

[eFestivals]

Yet I get to go on holiday... and brains like you get to run forums...

You get to go on holiday, and you spout lots of shit. What of it?

(well, to answer that rhetorical question, it gets to show that even the thick as pigshit think they're smart ).

You've said it's a great idea to get those on benefit working.

I'll ask you yet again: what benefit is there to the country by doing so? Is there any benefit?

Or does it merely satisfy the idea that you hold that anyone on benefits is a worthless scrounger .... despite it being YOU that is championing worthless ideas (if it's not worthless, show me where the benefit is: I keep asking you to show me).

[gratedenini]

This is turning into the now-usual Monday Morning thread that Oafish starts cos he`s got (more) spare time during work, then someone replies with an opinion..then No1 joins in--- then it becomes a one-to-one arguement/discussion between the two protaganists,interspersed with posts from the mortals and less richer than Oaf types.

Its all very predicatble.

My image of Oafish is now (Harry Enfield) "I`m considerably richer than yow!"

(but in reality..i`m not really that sure).

At least it fills in the time before Bargain Hunt and my afternoon treat of Monarch of the Glen, which I`m sure Mr Oafish could very well imagine himself becoming

den

[eFestivals]

I have never said anyone on benefits is a worthless scrounger Yet that is the picture you want to paint

What I'm trying to do is get out of you why it's such a great idea of "get people off benefits and into work", as you say is the case.

So tell me where benefit is from your great idea.

I've asked you many times now. If it's such a great idea, surely you can demonstrate where the benefit is from this great idea?

[sifi]

My image of Oafish is now (Harry Enfield) "I`m considerably richer than yow!"

[sifi]

risks comes in many forms

[eFestivals]

The more people that work... The more taxes we raise... The more money we can spend on public services and benefits for people who really can not work and look after themselves...

I know its old fashioned but its f**king reality Neil

The reality is this....

If person A gets the one job that's available, then there is no job for person B.

There is no "more people that work".

There is no "more taxes" raised.

So where is the benefit? You've still not answered a question that is very simple to answer if it's the great idea you believe it to be.

[sifi]

Again, how so ? because I think people should try to find work

[ampersand]

Capitalist pigs

I do have the risk of being sued, the risk of the work drying up and trust me, the benefit system won't keep a roof over my head, I would lose everything... Lifes hard...

[sifi]

you would lose everything cos you clearly live a decidant lifestyle in a decidant house. hard indeed!

Edited October 25, 2010 by sifimaster

[eFestivals]

Moron So you don't think extra jobs can be created ?

Yep, some as the years go by - but not because of pushing people off benefits, that creates no jobs at all, it only creates greater competition for the few jobs there are.

So I ask you again - SURELY you can answer the question this time....???

What benefit is there to the country by forcing all people on benefits to look for work?

What changes to the benefit of the country to a whole? Are more people employed via that policy? Are any jobs created by that policy?

[sifi]

It benefits the country in many ways... Its fairer if we are all looking for jobs... It shows their children the right thing is to try to work and support yourself...

[eFestivals]

It benefits the country in many ways... Its fairer if we are all looking for jobs... It shows their children the right thing is to try to work and support yourself...

Sitting around and doing nothing is selfish...

So by forcing one person to work who doesn't (for whatever reason - good or not) want to, you make another person idle - which you say yourself is selfish, because they'll be doing nothing of any use.

There's no pay off in making kids know that it's the right thing to work and support themselves if they can't get a job and support themselves. If they can get a job then that merely results in another person without a job - and there's zero benefit for the country.

So I ask again, what benefit is there for the country?

You've said it's a good idea - so show me what is good about it. Why are you finding this so hard to answer??

Edited October 25, 2010 by eFestivals

[Steve P]

I love the Polish immigrants... Hard working people... If only we could deport some of the piss takers who where born here

[sifi]

I think fairness is the only one that really matters... We all want a fair society...

[sifi]

Taking the jobs that are so poorly paid that you may as well be on benefit.

[gratedenini]

As funny as that image is I don't think it is very fair...

[eFestivals]

This is exactly what pisses people off... Lazy f**kers...

Yet if your idea - the tory idea - is rolled out across the country, there's still 3M "lazy f**kers", no different to if that idea hadn't been rolled out.

So I ask again (7th time now?): what benefit is there to the country from this idea?

[Steve P]

NMW which is what a lot of people with kids go out and earn... and a lot of people who turn there noses up at it and claim benefits instead...

This is exactly what pisses people off... Lazy f**kers...

Anyway its not like any of our opinions matter on here, thank f**k...

[eFestivals]

Just because you don't like the answer dosen't mean you aren't getting them

You've not provided any as yet.

The suggestions you have made each have an equal negative - and so create no benefit.

But in fact it's not even an equal negative, it's actually a greater negative, meaning that makes the situation in the country worse and not better.

So, are you able to give a benefit? Or will you realise that there's no benefit apart from to your f**ked up morality, and admit it?

[Paul ™]

NMW which is what a lot of people with kids go out and earn... and a lot of people who turn there noses up at it and claim benefits instead...