PEARL JAM

[Cultseeker]

COME ON!!!!!

I expected more from you. There's nothing to back this statement up. I at least used adjectives to describe the music and the feeling that I got.

Do like Bleach and In Utero a lot though. I listened to Unplugged for ages as well, usually stoned, late at night. I still remember actually feeling The Man Who Sold The World flowing through my body one night. I've quit smoking now.

[thomasowen]

Nirvana unplugged is my favourite Nirvana album. Hearing the accoustic raw sound is far more pleasing than the over produced nevermind. Anyway Ive never been a nirvana fan. Pearl jam unplugged from the clips Ive seen on youtube looks good as well, but Pearl jam are best live as a full electric band

[Cultseeker]

Nirvana unplugged is my favourite Nirvana album. Hearing the accoustic raw sound is far more pleasing than the over produced nevermind. Anyway Ive never been a nirvana fan. Pearl jam unplugged from the clips Ive seen on youtube looks good as well, but Pearl jam are best live as a full electric band

[funkymunkey]

Not a fan of Unplugged. Well, it's cleary good, but when compared to Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains sets then it becomes a little exposed.

I don't know which other way to say it. Nevermind is polished. 'Lounge Act', 'Drain You' and 'On a Plain' are raw unprovoked Nirvana at their very core. However 'Polly', 'In Bloom' and 'Something In The Way' just sound empty, which is Nirvana's trademark in part, but it sounds like they've been forced to play them - Cobain doesn't appear to be in the game for them. 'Come As You Are' is of course simplisticly brilliant, but I wouldn't mind (ha, get it) if I never (you must do now) heard 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' again.

Bleach is purest untapped Nirvana, without any pretentiousness whatsoever. In Utero certainly is pretentious in the extreme, but as they were moching life in general, I find it relieving when I'm in one of those 'f**k everything' moods. 'Heart-Shaped Box' is clearly excellent and others such as 'Radio Friendly Unit Shifter' and 'Tourette's' are as refreshing as ice cold water on a hot journey.

Great band, as are Chains, Jam and Garden.

Honestly mate, that is just plain incorrect.

[pogal]

Honestly mate, that is just plain incorrect.

Soundgarden were the first band to generate interest from the mainstream. Nirvana were picked up later by Geffen due to the interest that Soundgarden et al had generated. It's well established.

'Louder Than Love' (the first grunge album on a major label) won a grammy (it may have been more, I'm unsure) way before Nirvana had ever signed to Geffen.

Hang on a second. I've been listening to Soundgarden since 1989 my good man.

I remember seeing them emerge amongst the video delights of Motley Crue, Stryper, Slaughter, Pretty Boy Floyd, Ratt, Dio, White Lion etc

That was way before 'Teen Spirit' showed up and stole the limelight. Soundgarden gave Nirvana the platform. I know I saw it happen with my own eyes.

[funkymunkey]

Ive got the whole set. It is the best acoustic show that I've ever seen. Why it was never released as an E.P., to this day, I will never know.

There is no better version of Black in my book, and I'm yet to hear anyone (who is a fan of Black in particular) say that there is a better version.

[Olivavu]

Ive got the whole set. It is the best acoustic show that I've ever seen. Why it was never released as an E.P., to this day, I will never know.

There is no better version of Black in my book, and I'm yet to hear anyone (who is a fan of Black in particular) say that there is a better version.

[Cultseeker]

Just the last bridge:

"I know someday you'll have a beautiful life" etc. is heartbreaking. Even more so than usual.

I like the different emphasis on vocal line on the second verse as well:

"I'll take a walk outsi-i-de. I'm surrounded by-y some kids at play-ay-ay"

If it's the same one.

[pogal]

You forgot the mmmmmmmm no-ow ow

Or whatever the hell it is that he does that sounds mint!

If I was introducing someone to Chains for the first time, I'd tell them to listen to that first. You'd be pleasantly suprised.

Er, yeah. Badmotorfinger????

Bollox, Nirvana owe them.

I bought Ten from HMV as I did Louder Than Love.

[Olivavu]

'Nevermind' helped explode the grunge scene, I agree with that.

But I have original tour posters from 1991/92 that say "Ten is available in Virgin and all good record stores."

[pogal]

'Nevermind' helped explode the grunge scene, I agree with that.

But I have original tour posters from 1991/92 that say "Ten is available in Virgin and all good record stores."

Edited July 24, 2006 by pogal

[Olivavu]

Then, after nevermind, it was everywhere. It's a fact that it was re-released several times after Nevermind - there was even one with extra tracks if I remember rightly?

[Cultseeker]

I'll bet, on the day of release too eh?

Let's face it, as usual there is absolutely no room for debate, or facts (unless you insist they are of course...). So I'll leave it there.

Edited July 24, 2006 by Cultseeker

[Olivavu]

However, what can be measured is Soundgarden and Pearl Jam making it on their own.

[fowls]

The annoying thing about Pearl Jam Unplugged is they only had 1 album at the time. They were really scraping the bottom of the barrel as to which songs to play (Porch doesn't exactly suit acoustic), and they've written a lot more acousticy songs since.

[Olivavu]

The annoying thing about Pearl Jam Unplugged is they only had 1 album at the time. They were really scraping the bottom of the barrel as to which songs to play (Porch doesn't exactly suit acoustic), and they've written a lot more acousticy songs since.

[pogal]

It's just that it is very crass to suggest that Nirvana are to be hailed as the grunge gods (or whatever).

This is why grunge is seen as a movement. Many bands played a part in it happening, evolving etc.

My point is that if it had not been Nirvana then it would have been someone else. And Geffen honed them into a mainstream act and tryed to make them sit outside of this movement and negate belonging to it. As we all know Nirvana didn't take kindly to that.

You just can't say that 'without Nirvana, there would be no Soundgarden or Pearl Jam'. It's utter bollox, not to mention highly immeasurable. However, what can be measured is Soundgarden and Pearl Jam making it on their own.

Yes it would have. Soundgarden existed on their own in the metal/rock side of the spectrum, whereas Nirvana were only just establishing themselves amongst the indie/rock community.

And I do believe that Badmotorfinger was released first.

Ten, yes. Louder Than Love, no.

[Olivavu]

Pearl Jam got to where they did on their own merit.

'Ten' has also been bought by more people than 'Nevermind'.

[pogal]

Pearl Jam got to where they did on their own merit.

'Ten' has also been bought by more people than 'Nevermind'.

[Olivavu]

Oh, dear God, have you read anything I've said? If you have, then you haven't understood it. It's not about how big they became, how good they are, whatever!!!

The point is, Nevermind made grunge a commercial genre - f**k when something was released, who had the best songs, the best album, or a number 57 single two years before - after Nevermind, it ALL changed.

You guys are Pearl Jam devotees, check the sales pattern of Ten - I'd love to see how many copies of it had been sold worldwide BEFORE Smells Like Teen Spirit, then compared with after it.

Whether Pearl Jam are the greatest band in the history of rock and roll or not, and whether every household in the world has a copy of Ten, they would not have received the ear of the populous to the degree they did had Nevermind not sold squillions and Smells Like Teen Spirit not blown a hole in the Mtv ozone layer.

Misunderstand as much as you like, I just can't put it any more simply, I apologise.

[Cultseeker]

Jesus. H. Christ.

Whatever you say, how ever much you say things that mean nothing in relation to the opint I'm making, Nirvana's rise to rock stardom - regardless of whether you like them, hate them, don't wanna hear it or otherwise - was a HUUUUUUGGGEEE help to the success of bands like Pearl Jam and Soundgarden.

They may have enjoyed some success without the explosion of Smells Like Teen Spirit. But if you honestly believe there would have been a poster in the music shop window, or hundreds of kids wearing flannel shirts, because of badmotorfinger, then you have to ask yourself this question: Why was Chris Cornell heralded the saviour of the very music you claim grunge destroyed? He WAS the new face of rawk, a la Guns n Roses, Bon jovi etc - which grunge basically saw off.

Get over this obsessive desire to prove that Soundgarden and Pearl Jam invented modern rock and brought it to the mainstream - it's simply not true - no matter how much you want it to be. They played a part, yes, but withotu doubt, Nirvana were the catalyst to the grunge explosion.

Oh, and in the history of grunge, two words: The Melvins.

[thomasowen]

To clear this up not many of my friends have heard of pearl jam, the ones that have dont have there music. This is reality very few 16 year old kids in the east midlands will know about pearl jam. They have all heard of Nirvana. This doesn't make them better, and maybe peral jam were as big in seatle in 1994, but nirvana (mores the shame) not pearl jam made grunge commerical.

[Cultseeker]

The point is, Nevermind made grunge a commercial genre - f**k when something was released, who had the best songs, the best album, or a number 57 single two years before - after Nevermind, it ALL changed.

Edited July 24, 2006 by Cultseeker

[Paulaviki]

To clear this up not many of my friends have heard of pearl jam, the ones that have dont have there music. This is reality very few 16 year old kids in the east midlands will know about pearl jam. They have all heard of Nirvana. This doesn't make them better, and maybe peral jam were as big in seatle in 1994, but nirvana (mores the shame) not pearl jam made grunge commerical.

[Olivavu]

I'll probably be shot down for this but I think a percent of Nirvanas notority comes from Cobains suicide, Courtney Love, and Dave Grohl still being about too, not disputing a large % is their music, just a thought thats all.