PEARL JAM

[Northen_Desire]

I do not see their appeal whatsoever.

They make boring music and have a singer with a f**king horrible voice.

f**k them. I despise the c**ts.

[The Mikester]

This is because you are the most narrow minded music appreciater there ever was.

While im no massive coldplay fan i do have the intelligence to realise that a band producing the sort of music they do will have an impact upon a chosen audience. It so happens that chosen audience covers a large proportion of the world and has thus sprialled coldplay into the realms of the 'mainstream'. As a band they have written some simply incredibly moving songs which have the power to hit people very emotionally.

While this music triggers zero responce within your mind and body olivavu i have absolutely no doubt in me that this music does trigger responces in others and to say that you cannot see why this is so is simply blind.

You have taken your distate for coldplay and the fact they are hugely popular and turned it into hate. The reasons for this are your own but may i make a suggestion to you. Remember...

life is too short!

[pinback]

No doubt he heard some "cooler" person say it.

[deutsche Harru]

right. this is really bugging me now.

I feel i really should like Pearl Jam. I mean, I love almost all of the other huge American early nineties rock bands - Nirvana, Pixies, Smashing Pumpkins, RATM, R.E.M, Sonic Youth etc..

Yet no matter how much i try or how often i listen to Pearl Jam (well Ten tbh, i don't own any of their other albums) - it doesn't grab me. Not one song stands out from another, i don't like the vocals , and it all seems a bit generic and repetitive. All i seem to hear is a band that sounds like Creed. .

Please tell me where i'm going wrong and what i should listen to - is there a better starting place than ten?

*awaits barrage of flames*

[fowls]

Everyone has their own starting point. I'd say if you think Ten is too straight forward, give No Code a try. But some people can't get into them however hard they try.

[Northen_Desire]

I think 'The Scientist' is an incredibly powerful song. It was an amazing moment at Glasto.

[pogal]

This is my point, coldplay clearly have songs that will hit people powerfuly and provoke emotion, to say this is not true is sheer pigheadedness. Im not asking you to like them, its fair enough to dislike any band but to label their type of music total shit due to your dislike just degrades any future opinion you have.

Edited July 25, 2006 by pogal

[Cultseeker]

This is my point, coldplay clearly have songs that will hit people powerfuly and provoke emotion, to say this is not true is sheer pigheadedness.

Edited July 25, 2006 by Cultseeker

[pogal]

But why respect something that is standard. Surely standards should be attacked. It's all part of rock and roll. You accept things as they are and nothing will progress. I think Olivavu and I (seeing as we get lumped together) are of the opinion that Coldplay and the likes are stifling the progress of rock music, hence the frustration when bands like this are revered and falsely attributed credit, and the subsequent angry criticisms and outbursts that follow.

You don't have to agree, I'm just trying to give you some perspective.

Long live criticism, it's the height of freedom of speech and the fuel of all progress.

Edited July 25, 2006 by pogal

[Cultseeker]

Why not say you just don't like it, with your reasons, without attacking those who disagree? Just an idea...

[pinback]

But why respect something that is standard. Surely standards should be attacked. It's all part of rock and roll. You accept things as they are and nothing will progress. I think Olivavu and I (seeing as we get lumped together) are of the opinion that Coldplay and the likes are stifling the progress of rock music, hence the frustration when bands like this are revered and falsely attributed credit, and the subsequent angry criticisms and outbursts that follow.

You don't have to agree, I'm just trying to give you some perspective.

Long live criticism, it's the height of freedom of speech and the fuel of all progress.

[my bloody valentine]

But why respect something that is standard. Surely standards should be attacked. It's all part of rock and roll. You accept things as they are and nothing will progress. I think Olivavu and I (seeing as we get lumped together) are of the opinion that Coldplay and the likes are stifling the progress of rock music, hence the frustration when bands like this are revered and falsely attributed credit, and the subsequent angry criticisms and outbursts that follow.

You don't have to agree, I'm just trying to give you some perspective.

Long live criticism, it's the height of freedom of speech and the fuel of all progress.

[Cultseeker]

Yes, and Pearl Jam are really pushing boundaries. They aren't quite musical innovators are they?

[anti-flag]

I'm not the biggest Pearl Jam fan but looking forward to seeing them at Leeds so have been checking out some of their stuff.

I picked up 'Binaural' in a sale last weekend, just had a quick look through this thread (wow, 55 pages) and it seems not to be the most popular album. I actually like it more than the other 2 albums I've got by them (can you guess what they are, its the obvious two...)

Interested to hear any more thoughts on the album, though I know it has been discussed already (someone said something about hoovering to it...)

[Cultseeker]

But when the criticism is "f**k them. I despise the c**ts", I don't think it is the 'height of freedom of speech' or the 'fuel of all progress'. It ain't angry criticism either, it's just being a potty-mouth.

And what do PJ contribute to the 'progress' of rock music? Not a lot to my ears, they sound retro to me. Coldplay aren't as progressive as, say, Kraftwerk, New Order, Radiohead - but i don't think their sound is all that regressive either.

[pogal]

Get a grip. That's the frustration I'm talking about, as well you know.

New Order.

Here's a few pointers, just in answer to the emerging PJ vs Coldplay thing;

Who on this planet has a voice like Vedders? The bloke from Creed... And live, the bloke from Gomez!

Who plays (or has ever played) riffs like Gossard and Ament? The bloke they nicked them off - Jimmy Page.

Whose music perfectly represents the subject matter? Coldplay or Pearl Jam? Coldplay portray what they're saying pretty well, usually moping loss or something, as do Pearl Jam with whatever they're getting out there.

Whose music has a vast diversity of subject matter and soundscope? When have Pearl Jam used string and piano arrangements quite as effectively as Coldplay? I would say never. And when have Coldplay used distorted guitars as effectively as Pearl Jam? Again, never. So that's down to opinion...

Who has the most definitive sound? Tough one. I know when something's Coldplay and I know when something's Pearl Jam.

Edited July 25, 2006 by pogal

[pinback]

Get a grip. That's the frustration I'm talking about, as well you know.

New Order.

Does the laughing smiley indicate that you don't think New Order were innovative and Pearl Jam are? In which case, may I return the gesture thricefold

Here's a few pointers, just in answer to the emerging PJ vs Coldplay thing;

Who on this planet has a voice like Vedders?

Chad Kroeger

Who plays (or has ever played) riffs like Gossard and Ament?

That's only relevent if you think the riffs are good to listen to

Whose music perfectly represents the subject matter? Coldplay or Pearl Jam?

Another one of your Tony Lemezma questions . They both represent each bands subject matter in their individual ways I suppose, but I wouldn't say either were 'perfect'.

Whose music has a vast diversity of subject matter and soundscope?

Never heard the word soundscope before, did you make it up or does it mean the same as scope? PJ probably tackle more subject matters (Coldplay don't really do subjects as such, beyond love), but I think Coldplay's music has more scope.

Who has the most definitive sound?

I don't know. I find Chris Martin's voice quite recognisable, but there are a lot of bands on their coattails with a similar sound. Eddie Vedder's voice is quite recognisable too. I'll call that one a draw

Edited July 25, 2006 by pinback

[Cultseeker]

[pogal]

I think New Order were ground-breaking, electronica in rock was new stuff man!

Let's be prefectly honest about it - good though pearl Jam are, they have done very little to revolutionise rock music have they?

[Cultseeker]

Pearl Jam rock like a motherf**ker, and brim with talent of both tool and idea.

Coldplay drone on like a bunch of pretentious dweebs with nothing exciting or important to say, ever.

[pogal]

Pearl Jam rock like a motherf**ker, and brim with talent of both tool and idea.

Coldplay drone on like a bunch of pretentious dweebs with nothing exciting or important to say, ever.

Edited July 25, 2006 by pogal

[pinback]

Pearl Jam rock like a motherf**ker, and brim with talent of both tool and idea.

Coldplay drone on like a bunch of pretentious dweebs with nothing exciting or important to say, ever.

Edited July 25, 2006 by pinback

[Cultseeker]

but if you wish to argue that point - Coldplay have publicly backed numerous campaigns - including Oxfam's Ever Felt Dumped On?, Fair Trade Campaign, Live 8, and pledged to replenish forests used to produce their album inlays and the like.

[deutsche Harru]

Pearl Jam rock.

Coldplay whine.

Do you see yet?

[Cultseeker]

'When everyone is out to get you' to 'when you're beaten to No.1 by a singing frog'