news & politics:discussion

[mattiloy]

https://x.com/women4wes/status/1754149599562825985?s=46

Entertaining thread of insane jess phillips tweets.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

 

[cellar]

The saddest thing is, backtracking on the 28bn is one of the easier to swallow pills compared to some of the other things over the past year. Must be a pretty hefty back catalogue Labour have got now.

[Neil]

On 2/3/2024 at 7:29 PM, fraybentos1 said:

They won’t be able to achieve the same outcomes with way less money being put into the policy. 
 

Can that honestly be this hard to understand?

could all of that money be effectively spent each year to create worthwhile outcomes?

[Neil]

Just now, Neil said:

could all of that money be effectively spent each year to create worthwhile outcomes?

i'd guess it can create more certain outcomes if spent elsewhere! there's so many places in desperate need of extra funds (councils/nhs/etc). that other places might be more beneficial.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Neil said:

could all of that money be effectively spent each year to create worthwhile outcomes?

I’m sure that’s not the point with some, just look at the silence from many when the Tories actually cancelled some of the green policies they had last year. It’s just being used as a reason to attack Labour by the Tories and many are falling for it. 

[Guest]

 

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

think there will be something for councils in the budget, there needs to be...

[fraybentos1]

5 hours ago, Neil said:

could all of that money be effectively spent each year to create worthwhile outcomes?

I've no idea lol it wasn't my policy, it was Labour who came up with it...

It's not up to me to defend it, I (and everyone else) is just pointing out the policy has unequivocally been watered down 

[cellar]

2 hours ago, Ozanne said:

I’m sure that’s not the point with some

You're right, the point is being disappointed with Labours constant backtracking and purpling into Tories

[steviewevie]

 

[Skip997]

Just now, steviewevie said:

 

Am liking the +9 for the Greens

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Skip997 said:

Am liking the +9 for the Greens

A lot of undecideds.

[steviewevie]

Actually that's misleading, it isn't halved...down 26%(still significant)

 

[steviewevie]

and then..

 

[Neil]

3 hours ago, fraybentos1 said:

I've no idea lol it wasn't my policy, it was Labour who came up with it...

It's not up to me to defend it, I (and everyone else) is just pointing out the policy has unequivocally been watered down 

there's not a bottomless pit of resources to fix all issues, people expect a lot from a labour govt - but a lot of green spending won't do it.

perhaps investing in future obesity is the way to go with free transport for kids.

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, Neil said:

there's not a bottomless pit of resources to fix all issues, people expect a lot from a labour govt - but a lot of green spending won't do it.

perhaps investing in future obesity is the way to go with free transport for kids.

People expect Labour to reverse all Tory policies they don’t like whilst also putting in place their ideal policies. I reckon some people hold Labour to impossibly high standard so they can criticise them when they don’t achieve that.

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

People expect Labour to reverse all Tory policies they don’t like whilst also putting in place their ideal policies. I reckon some people hold Labour to impossibly high standard so they can criticise them when they don’t achieve that.

what is achievable is limited by limited resources. labour need to spread it around and people need to accept their pet idea probably won't get funded to perfection, we shouldn't make perfect the enemy of the good.

[fraybentos1]

41 minutes ago, Neil said:

there's not a bottomless pit of resources to fix all issues, people expect a lot from a labour govt - but a lot of green spending won't do it.

again, this was Labour who said this idea and now backtracking on it. It's not like I came up with the 28billion figure

 

10 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

People expect Labour to reverse all Tory policies they don’t like whilst also putting in place their ideal policies. I reckon some people hold Labour to impossibly high standard so they can criticise them when they don’t achieve that.

the 28 bil is nothing to do with reversing Tory policy. This was a Labour proposal they made a big fuss over and are now watering down massively

[fraybentos1]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

 their pet idea 

this was no one's idea apart from Labour. They came up with the policy!

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

the 28 bil is nothing to do with reversing Tory policy. This was a Labour proposal they made a big fuss over and are now watering down massively

ask yourself - why is it being watered down?

[Neil]

the people who've supported early retirement for themselves or other people have given themselves later retirement

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2024/feb/05/uk-state-pension-age-will-soon-need-to-rise-to-71-say-experts

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

this was no one's idea apart from Labour. They came up with the policy!

green policies is the pet idea of loads of people.

[steviewevie]

The thing with the 28bn green investment pledge is they need to settle on a policy and stick to it because it's a mess at moment. First it was 28bn right from the start, then 28bn by end, then actually turned out to be 20bn new money, then it was only if meets fiscal rules...now they just don't want to talk about cost at all and focus on outcomes.  They're obviously divided on it, Reeves and co on one side, Miliband and co on the other, Starmer floating about and maybe being more pro 28bn than Reeves..but here looks like Reeves has won out and no one will ever mention 28bn ever again (maybe Starmer vs Reeves will be the next Blair vs Brown?). Anyway, they need to sort out what they're going to say when people ask about costs which they will, because saying we'd really like to spend 28bn but probably won't be able to might not wash.