news & politics:discussion

[Neil]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Also supports the monarchy and the whole class system and retained wealth that hangs from it...

for that part you could also say, "he's a democrat"

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, Neil said:

for that part you could also say, "he's a democrat"

Not sure abolishing the monarchy is a vote winner.

Also, he isn't a socialist.

Also, see Spain.

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Also, he isn't a socialist.

Also, see Spain.

there's always been conflict within socialism, between the radical revolutionary types, and the democrats  wich is why there's social democrats.

[steviewevie]

although the monarchy isn't exactly democratic...

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Just goes to show how hard it is for the Labour party to both get elected and make meaningful change.

people don't like change, so the trick is to not promise or do, too much change. thatcher was eventually brought down by changing too much.

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Neil said:

people don't like change, so the trick is to not promise or do, too much change. thatcher was eventually brought down by changing too much.

I thinkmany  people would like some sort of change, but abolishing the monarchy is probably not it (at the moment).

[steviewevie]

and Truss is about to bring about more change...binning the whole idea of redistribution, cutting taxes, abolishing banker bonus caps, de-regulation, bailing energy companies, hoping for growth and trickle down economics...and she was voted in by the people, well, a select few...

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I thinkmany  people would like some sort of change, but abolishing the monarchy is probably not it (at the moment).

they'd be happy with limited change like that, while worrying what further consequences that change would have.

[Guest]

Just now, Neil said:

they'd be happy with limited change like that, while worrying what further consequences that change would have.

How do you know ‘they’ would feel like this?

[Neil]

10 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

And yet we live in a period where there has been massive change with the consent of the people - e.g. Brexit...

But that was about seeking the past...

We really are a strange little country 🙂 

you've nailed it, so not rfeally about the massive change you've mentioned.

[Neil]

Just now, Ozanne said:

How do you know ‘they’ would feel like this?

i read a lot of public comment, and get a feel for where people's thinking is, from that.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

How do you know ‘they’ would feel like this?

Ha. We all think we know how "the people" think.

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Neil said:

you've nailed it, so not rfeally about the massive change you've mentioned.

It was a massive change though.

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

It was a massive change though.

as barry said, a change back to the past, and as they know that past, that past isn't scary.

[Guest]

Brexit was a massive change.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Neil said:

as barry said, a change back to the past, and as they know that past, that past isn't scary.

Even if I agree Barry said it so I disagree.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, Neil said:

they've banned the chinese president from the funeral, maybe they'll send the vice-president instead, careful how you say this!! "Wang Qishan"

c'mon, a brilliant name to laugh at. 🤣

[Neil]

2 minutes ago, Neil said:

c'mon, a brilliant name to laugh at. 🤣

w*nky shan

[steviewevie]

The queue has reached capacity.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

The queue has reached capacity.

What are people expected to do? Queue to join The Queue? I'd be well pissed off if I had traveled all the way down to that London just to be left waiting around for 6 hours. It's not as though there is anything to do is there?

[steviewevie]

57 minutes ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

What are people expected to do? Queue to join The Queue? I'd be well pissed off if I had traveled all the way down to that London just to be left waiting around for 6 hours. It's not as though there is anything to do is there?

I think it's a health and safety thing, people now queueing for up to 14 hours. But yeah, what do you do when you reach the end of the queue and told can't join the end of the queue, wait there?

[steviewevie]

you can watch live!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-62902778

[Rufus Gwertigan]

15 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

you can watch live!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-62902778

It's just like been there.

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I think it's a health and safety thing, people now queueing for up to 14 hours. But yeah, what do you do when you reach the end of the queue and told can't join the end of the queue, wait there?

What’s the general queue time on the Tuesday/Wednesday of Glastonbury? It’s about 12 hours isn’t it?

[Neil]

39 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I don't see how it wasn't "massive change"...  to revert back so dramatically ...

it was a masive change, but not a scary one as the change was to somewhere they'd been already for many leavers.