Formula 1

[charlierc]

Hats off to Piastri - great drive to pass and latterly resist Leclerc then shoot off.

 

Points for Colapinto and Bearman too is superb stuff given their rookie introductions to F1. Not sure what Sainz & Perez were up to.

[charlierc]

Feels weird that they now have a month off after Singapore, and just as weird Singapore had no safety car given it had until now been guaranteed safety cars.

 

But I guess that had to end sometime. Norris demolishing the field is what he needs, but he needed Verstappen to finish somewhere lower than P2.

[Crazyfool01]

I nodded off about halfway through was looking like a dull one .... 

[charlierc]

34 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

I nodded off about halfway through was looking like a dull one .... 

Oh I agree it wasn't an incredible race. Singapore is usually a bit more chaotic than that but it was all quite clean and professional this time.

 

There is an ethical quandry about Red Bull's junior team pitting Ricciardo at the end to take a fastest lap point away from Norris. Even if it seems to be in the duality of wondering if Ricciardo is now going to be let go and replaced for the final six races by Liam Lawson.

[charlierc]

Don't think I've seen a reaction so negative to the handling of a driver's status as that of Red Bull dropping Ricciardo today. I know a lot of it has come to his media-friendliness but it's easy to forget he was great at Red Bull before his move and even then had a decent season with Renault in 2020. Plus the bizarre way they essentially gave him a last-race-by-accident at Singapore without figuring out if they actually were dropping him didn't help.

 

And I say this having been ok with the idea that, for 2025, his time had come and somebody else was worth a go to see if they could survive the Red Bull driver roulette.

[PDAD]

Yeah it has been handled pretty strangely. Everyone pretty much knew Singapore was his last race but for a driver who has had a career as good as Ricciardo, being dropped after a race and not having one last official hurrah is a bit flat. 

 

He hasn't been great, but nor has VCARB's ridiculous strategy this year. Red Bull seem a bit desperate I think. The motivation for giving Lawson the last 6 races I'd imagine is they don't have faith in Yuki or Danny to be good enough for Red Bull, so they want to see if Liam can overperform and become front runner for when they inevitably decide to replace Perez at some point in the not too distant future. Their driver programme has always been consistently good since the late 00s but they are in a position now where if Max seeks pastures new, they don't really have a lot of exciting options and may have to look elsewhere... I think Lawson seems decent and deserves a shot, but I don't think these last 6 races are going to make the difference for him being 'ready' for Red Bull or not... 

[charlierc]

Well after a month off, Red Bull have looked a bit more like their old selves this weekend, Ferrari's upgrade seems to have brought them closer to the top and Mercedes' weekend looks like it's already peaked in Friday practice.

 

Race with Lando on pole but a track where starting P2 is usually the better place to start from makes for an interesting start in a few hours time.

[PDAD]

A good race in isolation but one that has definitely simmered hopes for a final race championship decider. 

 

Some weird penalty decisions yesterday but I think the right call was made on Lando vs Max. He just got impatient after trying the same thing for several laps and expecting a different result. Even though the 'apex' is open to interpretation, he did not brake late enough to make the corner. Makes the championship battle a bit more pie in the sky but fair play to Max, he has maximised every weekend this year and Lando just hasn't. 

 

Lawson to Red Bull and Colapinto to Sauber next year? Surely...

 

 

[charlierc]

5 hours ago, PDAD said:

A good race in isolation but one that has definitely simmered hopes for a final race championship decider. 

 

Some weird penalty decisions yesterday but I think the right call was made on Lando vs Max. He just got impatient after trying the same thing for several laps and expecting a different result. Even though the 'apex' is open to interpretation, he did not brake late enough to make the corner. Makes the championship battle a bit more pie in the sky but fair play to Max, he has maximised every weekend this year and Lando just hasn't. 

 

Lawson to Red Bull and Colapinto to Sauber next year? Surely...

Certainly I think Norris now needs a Verstappen DNF if he's going to win the championship. There's certainly an argument Max could've been penalised for forcing Norris off track but Norris made the issue about himself in that one by overtaking off track, so it is what it is I guess.

 

The constructor's title, however, does look interesting - Perez is still driving badly, and if the Ferrari dominance that saw them take a 1/2 in Austin can be sustained, it means Red Bull are at risk of only being third in the Constructor's. Last time a driver won the title with a car that wasn't in the top 2 in the championship was the early 1980s, so it's not a frequent thing.

 

Sauber still seem not to have made their mind up. Colapinto would be a great hire and has proven so, but it requires the right deal between them & Williams to facilitate that. Same if McLaren's prodigy and current F2 championship leader Gabriel Bortoleto were to head their way, as was also a rumour.

[Crazyfool01]

Some race that although sadly the drivers championship is over .... Great drive from max as much I want Lando to win it that was faultless from him 

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[charlierc]

33 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Some race that although sadly the drivers championship is over .... Great drive from max as much I want Lando to win it that was faultless from him 

Yeah it looks like game, set and match for Max. Think it'll be official if he wins in Las Vegas in 2/3 weeks.

 

Last time somebody started P17 and won a Grand Prix was Kimi Raikkonen in 2005, which was a similarly legendary drive. Curiously the team that is now called Alpine (then Renault) were also P2/3 at that one, and Alpine today did a brilliant drive to get their first double podium in 11 years and more points than all the other races this year combined.

 

If Norris gets a penalty for the miscommunication that lead to a second formation lap, that's probably making his championship hopes even more over.

[charlierc]

 

So in February, ahead of the new season and F1's 75th year, they're booking the London O2 Arena for livery reveals for all of the 10 teams for 2025, presenting all the drivers and having a few musical performers.

 

I'm curious to see how this'll work differently to the usual F1 car unveiling show, given a lot do genuinely still like each team having a half hour waffle in which sheets are pulled off to reveal the car's looks.

 

Still, also something different amid a week where half the FIA's senior staff seem to have been forced out and where Monaco is getting a contract extension for its 78 parade laps.

[charlierc]

Quite a lot going on there in Las Vegas - Max champion as expected, Mercedes probably having their best race in years with a 1/2, Ferrari squabbling, several teams screwing up pit stops. Dunno if it was worth getting up at 6am for but it wasn't boring.

[PDAD]

14 hours ago, charlierc said:

Quite a lot going on there in Las Vegas - Max champion as expected, Mercedes probably having their best race in years with a 1/2, Ferrari squabbling, several teams screwing up pit stops. Dunno if it was worth getting up at 6am for but it wasn't boring.

Was a good race to be fair! Wasn't assed about catching it really with the championship foregone conclusion but my baby had other ideas so I found myself feeding her at 5.55am and thought 'why not'? 😂 

 

I really am convinced 2025 has the potential to be an all timer! Always love a final year before rule changes. Just wish Sainz was in the fight! 

[charlierc]

I mean where the hell do you start...

 

Penalties that haven't been used in years making an appearance, Hamilton and Ocon seemingly handing in their notices, Ferrari suddenly giving us a constructors battle for Abu Dhabi, some frankly bizarre carelessness with puncture-causing debris in the braking zone, Sauber's first points in 14 months, a sh*t-ton of penalties... all that drama, chaos and mayhem and still Max wins

[charlierc]

Not sure I expected Abu Dhabi to start with Max Verstappen and George Russell calling the other a two-faced bastard telling lies about what happened in the steward meeting that got Max a penalty in Qatar. Russell went a lot further than I feel like anyone has in a while.

 

Clearly the Qatar row is still festering.

 

To think as well Toto really tried to hire Max as a Mercedes driver for 2025. These two being team-mates now feels like either the dream of a Netflix commissioner or the work of a madman.

[charlierc]

So that's that. McLaren constructor's champions for the first time since the 90s - not bad. Hamilton now done in Mercedes, and it's gonna be surreal to see him in Ferrari red next year.

 

Abu Dhabi was as meh as ever but quite a lot of fascinating stories - podium for Sainz in the last one before he's kicked out to make way for Lewis, probably one of Hamilton's best drivers in ages to get P4, Alpine beating Haas to 6th in the championship, what could be Perez's final race getting ended by Bottas and Bottas also taking himself out.

 

2025 will be fascinating though. If nothing else we're about to see how much of Red Bull's success was Newey given he's stepped down from their F1 duties already even before his move to Stroll and the gang.

[charlierc]

I can't say I'm hardcore enough to have an alarm set for the 4am race start in Melbourne tomorrow, but looks like a nice grid, chaos factor with rain and several rookies and it looks like it'll be an interesting season.

 

McLaren definitely look like in dry conditions, they will tricky to stop.

[Crazyfool01]

40 minutes ago, charlierc said:

I can't say I'm hardcore enough to have an alarm set for the 4am race start in Melbourne tomorrow, but looks like a nice grid, chaos factor with rain and several rookies and it looks like it'll be an interesting season.

 

McLaren definitely look like in dry conditions, they will tricky to stop.

Was it 5am last year … or in previous years ? I’ve got up before because that’s my normal up time for work but the 4am is a stretch … missed quali and hoped to watch a rerun … just turned on and got the result of it ffs … will attempt to watch a rerun tomorrow hoping same doesn’t happen 

[charlierc]

4 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Was it 5am last year … or in previous years ? I’ve got up before because that’s my normal up time for work but the 4am is a stretch … missed quali and hoped to watch a rerun … just turned on and got the result of it ffs … will attempt to watch a rerun tomorrow hoping same doesn’t happen 

Google says 4am last year but 6am the year before. I do recall getting up for that one and it ending up as a madhouse with three red flags in one of the few 2023 races that wasn't just Verstappen winning by miles.

 

I do get that issue tbf. The BBC Sport app on my phone is aggressive with notifications, so I did wake up this morning to be greeted straight away with a notification of the qualy results.

[oneeye]

RIP Eddie Jordan 

[charlierc]

Chinese Grand Prix itself was fairly mediocre as a race, if confirming McLaren very much look like being the dominant player.

 

A postscript of 3 disqualifications, a total disaster for Ferrari with both Hamilton & Leclerc being disqualified, and people saying Lawson's been dropped from Red Bull after only 2 races... now that's quite the drama.

[charlierc]

On 20/03/2025 at 09:15, oneeye said:

RIP Eddie Jordan 

I don't know if this will stay live but this tribute on Channel 4 narrated by Bono, who Eddie got to know, was a really nice touch: 

 

 

As someone aware of how admired he was by the F1 family and the legacy of building a team you probably couldn't now, can see that it's a proper heartbreaker.

[Crazyfool01]

1 hour ago, charlierc said:

Chinese Grand Prix itself was fairly mediocre as a race, if confirming McLaren very much look like being the dominant player.

 

A postscript of 3 disqualifications, a total disaster for Ferrari with both Hamilton & Leclerc being disqualified, and people saying Lawson's been dropped from Red Bull after only 2 races... now that's quite the drama.

just got home from farm wander , sad to see the DQ for Hamilton but good to see hes got better pace after winning the sprint , hopefully he will get stronger and start challenging the mclarens for main race wins 

[charlierc]

I know Red Bull is known for its impatience but Lawson got 2 races before getting shoved back to Red Bull's junior team? Really?

 

Feels like they're paying the price for years of poor driver management and a focus that seems to lead to them only being able to make cars Verstappen can drive. Which is a strategy with a time limit given Max won't be there forever.