Peter Dow

[Peter Dow]

OK, but what is simple is....

Edited December 2, 2011 by Peter Dow

[Peter Dow]

which they've done with the support of 'the people' (dumb people admittedly, but that's democracy for you), not differently to how any president would have.

Edited December 2, 2011 by Peter Dow

[Peter Dow]

That's you, that is.

Edited December 2, 2011 by Peter Dow

[eFestivals]

get a grip

all I've said is that, in my opinion, Peter exhibits many of the signs I'd associate with mental health problems...there are signs of him being delusional and paranoid.

Get a grip yourself.

There's a far more solid basis for real science to say the religious are delusional and paranoid yet your 'science' swerves that idea, because normal society won't stand for it.

And if normal society won't stand for that idea, all of the power of formal psychological ideas is taken away - which gets to prove that the power that can be wielded is more important than any basis to the ideas it puts forward. A great science.

Normal society doesn't stand for Peter's viewpoints without labelling him as crazy (tho only because his views are outside of society's norms) - exactly as you've done. Peter believes this happens as a way to remove any power from his ideas, and there's little that you or I can say to disprove this.

The very operation of your 'science' gives Peter a firm factual basis for him not being delusional or paranoid, because it's working from the same viewpoint as he is.

There's something crazy here, you're right. But it's not necessarily Peter.

[eFestivals]

I fully intend to bring the people around to support for a truly democratic republican constitution

Peter, I wish you would. I really wish you could.

But you will never gain that support by advocating murder, no matter how much you might feel that the monarch and family might deserve it.

If you wish to succeed, and if you wish to have your views taken seriously enough for people at large to support them, then you will have to change your approach.

[russycarps]

I can confirm I run Rice for President Yahoo Group and that was my message linked to.

Anyone like me who has a bachelor of science degree from Edinburgh University is being called "a scientist" by Edinburgh University.

As I have mentioned already, you can say anything false which you like about that. I am not allowed to defend my reputation as a scientist or citizen or good person as regards that matter. My freedom has been denied.

So yes, I care to comment but I am not allowed to. So you and the good people here will never know how wrong you are.

It is pointless you or anyone fishing for more specific information as regards that matter which if I gave you could get me locked up for life. Unless you want me locked up for life?

It is upsetting for me to be afraid to tell my truth, to live in fear of a court action which will see me imprisoned or sectioned for life, but that is how I how I have lived every minute of my waking life for 16 years - in terror of the Queen's state and her courts.

I know from my personal experience the general truth about this kingdom. This is not a free country for some people and that I would like us as a people and a nation to wage war on the kingdom, its monarch and its evil courts and governments so that one day all individuals can live free and dignified lives and be allowed to make the most of our lives.

No, actually I was top of the class for the first term at Robert Gordon University, Aberdeen and then I was expelled for being outspoken and so was not allowed to continue my studies.

There has been no court case as regards RGU so I think I might be able to discuss my time at RGU.

You can argue anything you like, but it is impossible to be a really good scientist in this country if they are going to lock you up for speaking out as a really good scientist ought to. You can't be a successful scientist from inside a prison cell in one of Her Majesty's prisons.

Sure I have been blocked at every turn - but this reflects not on my abilities as a scientist but on the ability of this kingdom to block any person of ability from making good use of his or her abilities.

Yes the jobcentre are not set up to deal with legal threats which stop you attending university to complete your studies and get the qualifications you want. Any time you even mention to the jobcentre that there might be a problem they threaten to stop your benefit.

So because the jobcentre terrorise you into pretending there is no problem, you get stuck jumping through their hoops applying for jobs you don't want to do, couldn't do because these are jobs for non-scientists, not jobs for scientists.

In a kingdom where they deny you free speech? Oh maybe some kind of job in a republican army - the modern military use computers quite a lot - anything suitable to help the war effort to overthrow the kingdom and get a republic I guess.

[russycarps]

Very true... But some of the stuff regarding his private life which was posted could very much be classed as bullying.

[russycarps]

well I'm all for ripping part any views which differ from my own dont get me wrong, and in doing so I think calling someone a tit or a cretin is fine, I also think challenging why Peter hadnt worked for 20 years was fair game.

If someone starts saying "I'm going to find you and kick your head in you horrible mental c**t" then I'd say that's going too far.

I guess we'll have to see how the thread progresses, but I reckon Peter is having the time of his life having a 19 page thread, with his name as the title, where he is freely allowed to discuss all his views AND post his sexy pics of condoleeza rice...

[abdoujaparov]

As for whoever called Peter paranoid and delusional, his ideas about a republic are sound - of course any sensible person would want the monarchy abolished - it's just his methods are perhaps a little on the extreme side Not sure this makes him insane though.

As for paranoid, the people banging on his windows and the arrests are not made up events.

Peter's beliefs are being challenged here in exactly the same way we would treat david cameron if he posted here. Challenging someone is not the same as bullying.

[russycarps]

the most important thing is, is Peter comfortable with this thread?

I reckon he is.

[abdoujaparov]

Get a grip yourself.

There's a far more solid basis for real science to say the religious are delusional and paranoid yet your 'science' swerves that idea, because normal society won't stand for it.

And if normal society won't stand for that idea, all of the power of formal psychological ideas is taken away - which gets to prove that the power that can be wielded is more important than any basis to the ideas it puts forward. A great science.

Normal society doesn't stand for Peter's viewpoints without labelling him as crazy (tho only because his views are outside of society's norms) - exactly as you've done. Peter believes this happens as a way to remove any power from his ideas, and there's little that you or I can say to disprove this.

The very operation of your 'science' gives Peter a firm factual basis for him not being delusional or paranoid, because it's working from the same viewpoint as he is.

There's something crazy here, you're right. But it's not necessarily Peter.

[russycarps]

Also, in his innocence, Peter's stance on not working for 20 years has spelt out some undeniable truths.

Why should he spend his life in misery being exploited by some dubious and unscrupulous penny-pinching half-wit capitalist master? Who wants to spend their life unhappy?

Life is only one.

How many of us are as passionate about anything as Peter? Who are we to insist his passion should be stifled in some minimum wage job?

It is easy to criticise others from a job which pays more than the bare minimum, or is something you enjoy.

[jump]

@Petey, just curious how long have you been doing the whole kill the Queen and start a republica thing for and have you made any kind of progress so far?

[feral chile]

Get a grip yourself.

There's a far more solid basis for real science to say the religious are delusional and paranoid yet your 'science' swerves that idea, because normal society won't stand for it.

And if normal society won't stand for that idea, all of the power of formal psychological ideas is taken away - which gets to prove that the power that can be wielded is more important than any basis to the ideas it puts forward. A great science.

Normal society doesn't stand for Peter's viewpoints without labelling him as crazy (tho only because his views are outside of society's norms) - exactly as you've done. Peter believes this happens as a way to remove any power from his ideas, and there's little that you or I can say to disprove this.

The very operation of your 'science' gives Peter a firm factual basis for him not being delusional or paranoid, because it's working from the same viewpoint as he is.

There's something crazy here, you're right. But it's not necessarily Peter.

[eFestivals]

I agree that there is nothing particularly odd about some of Peter's ideas, but he definiely exhibits paranoid and delusional symptoms.

The thing is, the very ideas that have been drummed into you which have led you to reach that conclusion are no less an exhibition of paranoia and delusional behaviour.

Who's the crazy one?

[abdoujaparov]

The thing is, the very ideas that have been drummed into you which have led you to reach that conclusion are no less an exhibition of paranoia and delusional behaviour.

Who's the crazy one?

[eFestivals]

I'm not entirely sure why you refer to it as "my" science.

It was simply an easy way of referring to the supposed scientific ideas that have led you to reach those conclusions.

And I agree that mental illness is, at best, a flexible concept (it's not all that long ago that homosexuality was considered by mainstream psychiatrists as a mental illness, for example).

Exactly. It's not the science it likes to believe that it is.

But I do not acceot that mental illness consists of nothing more than just seeing the world differently. Paranoia, psychosis and delusional thought all have real impacts on people.

Oh, I agree completely.

But so does being labelled paranoid and delusional when the stated things have actually happened.

And Peter Dow has suffered actual real things - not delusions - from people who wish to label him as crazy simply because he wants to give certain ideas a different weighting to what is considered 'normal' by those people who are happy to unthinkingly work with the status quo.

And having suffered those real things and decided to continue to rail against them, he's then being labelled as paranoid too.

His only 'crime' here is to refuse to accept and go along with the normal views, even when it's detrimental to him to continue do so. Because he continues to do what is bad for him personally, and refers back to what has happened to him as a result, he gets labelled as suffering a mental illness.

I'd say from what he's posted that his only real fault against 'normal' is his social skills - tho we all suffer a sense of humour failure when others won't take the things which we personally consider of high importance seriously.

I see in the behaviour that presents on line some of the symptoms that I have seen in people who are, without any doubt, suffering from some sort of illness (however you choose to define it).

Or alternatively, you see someone who refuses to be beaten down by the mainstream view despite the personal cost.

It's a damned good job that not everyone takes your approach, because the likes of Mandela could have had the same "paranoid and delusional" thrown at him for his belief in an unfashionable idea.

[eFestivals]

Also, in his innocence, Peter's stance on not working for 20 years has spelt out some undeniable truths.

Why should he spend his life in misery being exploited by some dubious and unscrupulous penny-pinching half-wit capitalist master? Who wants to spend their life unhappy?

Life is only one.

How many of us are as passionate about anything as Peter? Who are we to insist his passion should be stifled in some minimum wage job?

It is easy to criticise others from a job which pays more than the bare minimum, or is something you enjoy.

Nicely put.

Without types like Peter who are prepared to make personal sacrifices for big but unfashionable ideas, the world would never change for the better.

That doesn't mean I fully back all his ideas, but ideas like his need to be in the mix of things and ideas need people to champion them.

[Gre]

"Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean that they're not out to get you".

[eFestivals]

Should the tax payer be expected to fund his "mission" ?

Expected to? Perhaps not.

But the fact is that the taxpayer will (tho perhaps some manipulation &/or dishonesty is needed for that to happen), and he's decided to take advantage of that.

I say who the fuck should care in a world without full employment where him in a job would be denying that job to someone who really wants it.

The taxpayer funded (tho in a different manner) the political missions of Dave Moron, Ed & David, and plenty of others over the years .... so why pick on those whose views are bit more radical? People have no less right to the more radical views than the likes of you do with going along with the mainstream.

[eFestivals]

"Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean that they're not out to get you".

Exactly.

And they're definitely out to get Peter Dow. That part is no invention.

The extent he stretches the idea to perhaps is, but doing that is not particularly unreasonable in light of the facts of the actions that have been taken against him.

[russycarps]

Should the tax payer be expected to fund his "mission" ?

[feral chile]

Expected to? Perhaps not.

But the fact is that the taxpayer will (tho perhaps some manipulation &/or dishonesty is needed for that to happen), and he's decided to take advantage of that.

I say who the fuck should care in a world without full employment where him in a job would be denying that job to someone who really wants it.

The taxpayer funded (tho in a different manner) the political missions of Dave Moron, Ed & David, and plenty of others over the years .... so why pick on those whose views are bit more radical? People have no less right to the more radical views than the likes of you do with going along with the mainstream.

[feral chile]

Really ?

Fact is x amount of people are required to work in our society to generate the wealth / tax revenue to support people in need to and cover off our societies needs.

I don't REALLY want to work but its kind of a moral obligation to do what I can to support my family and others less able.

Surely its only fair to expect the same out of a fellow fit and healthy person. I don't expect Peter to have a job, I expect him to at least try and get one and help support our society.

[eFestivals]

Can I point out this argument of "full employment" is irrelevant as a defence of Does position. He is clearly not interested in working regardless of the number of available jobs.

Then that's an argument to put forwards when him working wouldn't be denying another person who wants to work the chance to work.

Until that time comes, he's costing the country nothing extra.