Hate the farm, leave all your shit behind

[abdoujaparov]

I think they only take in to account the ones that agree, channel 4 had an interesting programme a few years ago where they interviewed scientists who are part of the 98% who said they had never agreed to it.

Humans make up for a very small % of total emissions while cows and volcanoes are a much bigger threat.

[abdoujaparov]

I think they only take in to account the ones that agree, channel 4 had an interesting programme a few years ago where they interviewed scientists who are part of the 98% who said they had never agreed to it.

Humans make up for a very small % of total emissions while cows and volcanoes are a much bigger threat.

[ukslim]

I think they only take in to account the ones that agree, channel 4 had an interesting programme a few years ago where they interviewed scientists who are part of the 98% who said they had never agreed to it.

[TwistedReligion]

Humans make up for a very small % of total emissions while cows and volcanoes are a much bigger threat.

[cejx]

Humans make up for a very small % of total emissions while cows and volcanoes are a much bigger threat.

[Spindles]

Climate change is a massively complex result of an impossibly large number of influences, no one thing causes this change. However the evidence is, quite simply, irrefutable that there is a spike in a number of areas that coincides with the industrialisation of man and these areas include global temperature, global sea temperature and co2 levels.

Due to the nature of examining historical evidence there is also the possibility that such spikes as we are seeing may have occurred before but are invisible to us as the resolution of the data is nowhere near as fine as that which we are looking at with regard to man made climate change. We are drawing conclusions from a slice of rock that we can approximately date within a few thousand years and then applying them to 150 years worth of fine data, I would say, as a purely impartial person in the debate, that that very methodology sounds flawed.

My own view is that evidence currently suggests that man is having an unprecedented effect on our environment, that climate change IS occurring as a result and that whether it is or it is not we should make our prime focus be learning how to adapt to a changing climate and a changing world rather than making the age old western mistake of focussing on trying to make everything fit our world view or 'what is right'.

If people agree or disagree with climate change theory on the basis of evidence then fine, I just find that very few on either side ever really do. Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

[neilloggie]

Global warming is possibly a natural recurring event and i'm not fooled in to believing everything that i am told or read as there are many contradicting reports out there.

If it the truth was ever to come out about global warming it would be the worst catastrophe the world had ever seen in terms of redundancies and unemployment.

Most scientists probably agree (in public) because they are afraid of losing their jobs.

[grumpyhack]

Mark Lynas has produced a superb series of programmes on Global Warming looking at the consequences of one, two, three and up to six degrees of warming.

The worry is that if we reach the tipping point it will be too late. So better safe than sorry I reckon.

[geebus]

There was a thing on the Radio* recently about bias in scientific research etc.

Forget the exact details and yes of course there has to be some irony in this being scientific research...

But basically, results of published works do tend to vary depending on current attitudes in the scientific community etc.

For various reasons, but I believe it did show that over time the conclusions from similar data often tended to be cyclic if anything!

Obviously to start with we don't see research that no one really wants to publish - partly because it doesn't get done, because no one wants to publish it!

* Ok, I admit it - I listen to radio 4, at least when the Archers isn't on!

[neilloggie]

Very interesting stuff i never realised

Traditional nappies (diapers) are as bad as disposables, a study by the Environment Agency found. While throwaway nappies make up 0.1 per cent of landfill waste, the cloth variety are a waste of energy, clean water and detergent

Paper bags cause more global warming than plastic. They need much more space to store so require extra energy to transport them from manufacturers to shops

Diesel trains in rural Britain are more polluting than 4x4 vehicles. Douglas Alexander, when Transport Secretary, said: “If ten or fewer people travel in a Sprinter [train], it would be less environmentally damaging to give them each a Land Rover Freelander and tell them to drive”.

Burning wood for fuel is better for the environment than recycling it, the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs discovered.

Organic dairy cows are worse for the climate. They produce less milk so their methane emissions per litre are higher.

Someone who installs a “green” light bulb undoes a year’s worth of energy saving by buying two bags of imported vegetables, as so much carbon is wasted flying the food to Britain.

Trees, regarded as shields against global warming because they absorb carbon, were found by German scientists to be major producers of methane, a much more harmful greenhouse gas.

Sources for Shattering some of the Green myths that contribute to the causes of Climate Change: Defra; How to Live a Low-Carbon Life, by Chris Goodall; Absorbent Hygiene Products Manufacturers Association; The Times; BBC

[Wooderson]

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/07/11/oxegen-11-the-ghost-estate/

[rabid]

Very interesting stuff i never realised

Diesel trains in rural Britain are more polluting than 4x4 vehicles. Douglas Alexander, when Transport Secretary, said: "If ten or fewer people travel in a Sprinter [train], it would be less environmentally damaging to give them each a Land Rover Freelander and tell them to drive".

[rabid]

Trees, regarded as shields against global warming because they absorb carbon, were found by German scientists to be major producers of methane, a much more harmful greenhouse gas.

[YetAnotherOldHippy]

Very interesting stuff i never realised

Traditional nappies (diapers) are as bad as disposables, a study by the Environment Agency found. While throwaway nappies make up 0.1 per cent of landfill waste, the cloth variety are a waste of energy, clean water and detergent

[Bender]

I'm usually part of the green brigade, but energy saving lightbulbs contain potassium, which is very dangerous if not disposed of properly (which i'm pretty sure most people don't do).

[abdoujaparov]

Global warming is possibly a natural recurring event and i'm not fooled in to believing everything that i am told or read as there are many contradicting reports out there.

If it the truth was ever to come out about global warming it would be the worst catastrophe the world had ever seen in terms of redundancies and unemployment.

Most scientists probably agree (in public) because they are afraid of losing their jobs.

[ukslim]

I'm usually part of the green brigade, but energy saving lightbulbs contain potassium, which is very dangerous if not disposed of properly (which i'm pretty sure most people don't do).

[YetAnotherOldHippy]

Potassium is dangerous now? I should have read this before I ate that banana

[ministe2003]

I don't understand people's opposition to being greener. I'm not talking about wind farms etc, just personally. Insulate your home, use energy and water efficiently etc etc not only is good for the environment, but it saves you money. Why would you not want to save money?

PS

Edited July 14, 2011 by ministe2003

[Redwinevino]

I don't understand people's opposition to being greener. I'm not talking about wind farms etc, just personally. Insulate your home, use energy and water efficiently etc etc not only is good for the environment, but it saves you money. Why would you not want to save money?

PS

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[neilloggie]

at no point have i said i agree or disagree with global warming,being green etc but the fact is there is a lot of conflicting information out there and although humans may have contributed to global warming it has not been proved beyond reasonable doubt.

[Ian_Mackay]

at no point have i said i agree or disagree with global warming,being green etc but the fact is there is a lot of conflicting information out there and although humans may have contributed to global warming it has not been proved beyond reasonable doubt.

Edited July 14, 2011 by Ian_Mackay

[abdoujaparov]

at no point have i said i agree or disagree with global warming,being green etc but the fact is there is a lot of conflicting information out there and although humans may have contributed to global warming it has not been proved beyond reasonable doubt.

[ethelmeaker]

Very interesting stuff i never realised

Traditional nappies (diapers) are as bad as disposables, a study by the Environment Agency found. While throwaway nappies make up 0.1 per cent of landfill waste, the cloth variety are a waste of energy, clean water and detergent

[geebus]

as I've said before, 98% of climatologists agree that human behaviour is changing the climate...how much less doubt do you want??